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According to Baseball Trade Values, the highest valued Cardinals are Nootbaar and Herrera. I would be more than willing to see both traded because of that value, (ya gotta give to get). Noot because of value/injuries and Herrera because of value/and he’s a catcher that can’t throw and can’t play any other position than DH.
Keep pretty much anybody under 25, (not counting Herrera), anyone else is fair game.
Liberator, Walker, Winn and Gorman were rushed thru the system. So far, Winn appears to be a hit, others have been up and down, but are still young. I would have preferred they work there way up. Especially Liberator, being a pithcer, but Mo had to prove he didn’t get fleeced in the Arozarena trade.
I may be beating a dead horse, but this team needs to get younger and more athletic. A full tear down would have been better. In my opinion, Mo’s ego can’t have his last year be a bottom of the barrel finish. Like always, play to be just good enough to not totally, well, you know…
Any trade where they can pick up Competitive Value A or B picks is a bonus.
I have a feeling we will finish with a better record than a few of those teams ahead of us, specifically the ones in our division.
I really hope you’re right ATM, but I don’t see that much position talent on this team that could start for any of the top tier teams in either league. Contreras as a DH or Donovan as a Jack of all trades utility type.
I’m hoping someone finally thinks Arenado is the final piece of their puzzle. I’m not as down as some are, (sill a heck of a glove), but the decline in power the last 2 years makes me wish he was some other teams to deal with.
Sure we could squeak in, but what’s the point? I would have preferred a full blown rebuild.
“Thankful for a new chapter at @BJC_HealthCare” ??? From a columnist for the Post Dispatch to that?
Okay, I’ll be that guy. BenFred was the ONLY guy at the PD who would push back on the Cardinals. Strange to say the least.
Good luck sir, you will be missed.
NOW ON BASEBALL’S CUTTING EDGE, CARDINALS REPLACE MARMOL WITH AI-POWERED ROBOT WHITEY HERZOG
-“We needed more wonk in our wonk department,” opined MozeliakCan we have AI GM Whitey too?
BLOOM SEES ENOUGH AND RESIGNS! MO SIGNS NEW 5 YEAR EXTENSION!
MARMOL LED CARDS WIN 81 GAMES. DeWITT FORCES BLOOM TO RENEW DEAL ANOTHER 3 YEARS.
DeWITT TRADES TEAMS AND LOCATIONS WITH A’s OWNER. FANS SURPRISINGLY HAPPY IN THE LOO?
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant system wide. Admittedly, you can be overwhelmed for any player. Right now, the only player on the major league roster I wouldn’t trade is Winn. Minor leagues, Matthews, Davis, Weatherholt, and probably Crooks. Anyone else is fair game.
Not saying I want them traded, but I would prefer Walker or Gorman going to the AL if traded and return is good.
Herrera and Nootbaar are 2 of our highest ‘future value’ players and I would rather trade high. I’m not sure what Herrera’s position is other than a very poor throwing catcher/DH. I like Noot, but don’t love him. Not quite O’Neil’s injury history, but scary enough and not the power or fielder TO was.
The Golden dumb idea. I grew up across from a ball diamond. Many sandlot games we had WAY too few players and made up rules to fit the lineups. The major leagues isn’t that. WOW!
Pitchers
Sonny Gray – Trade I if possible, if they are really going the cheap route.
Erick Fedde – Keep at least until trade deadline.
Andre Palante – Keep
Ryan Helsley – Trade now. Can’t afford risk of injury or bad half year.
Matthew Liberatore – Keep, still hasn’t turned 25. Rushed to majors to quickly in my opinion.
Steven Matz – Trade for a Class A lottery type, even if throwing in cash. Can’t stay healthy.
Michael McGreevy – Keep
Miles Mikolas Trade with cash for a Class A lottery ticket type. Innings eater for someone.Catchers
Wilsson Contreras – Keep, unless a really good offer. I don’t believe Herrera can be a starter. Not sure they didn’t move him to 1st to see if he would be willing to agree to a trade.
Iván Herrera – Trade. Excellent bat and trade value is high, but DH is only other position. 55 steals given up only 4 caught, YIKES.
Pedro Pagés = BackupInfielders
Nolan Arenado – Trade for prospects if possible. Throw in cash to get better quality.
Nolan Gorman- What is his trade value. If still decent prospects I would trade, but only to AL.
Thomas Saggese – Keeper, part of the future. Hopefully a cheaper Donovan.
Brendan Donovan – Keeper unless a couple really good prospects coming back
Masyn Winn _ Current face of the franchise.Outfielders
Alec Burleson – I would trade him, though I know others wouldn’t.
Lars Nootbaar – I would trade. Still has a LOT of value, but too injury prone. Can’t let him become O’Neil where value drops.
Michael Siani – Keeper for now. Too good as a cheap 4th outfielder/defensive replacement. Now if he can figure out hitting.
Jordan Walker -Wouldn’t trade unless overwhelmed and then only to an AL team. Like Liberator, rushed to the majors, still a kid.I am 65, been a Cardinals fan for 60 years. Once a player is a Cardinal, I am a fan for life.
It seems there is a lot of we can’t trade player X, especially Lars and Ivan. I want them to do great, but they have more trade value than any other players on the roster other than possibly Winn i believe (53 / 32).
I did a comparison between Noot and Tyler O. on Baseball Reference and Noot is a slightly less injured, less power hitting player with a better OBP version of TO. I see him as a good but not great fielding 15/60/.260 player. I would trade him in a heartbeat.
Ivan can hit, no doubt. He can’t throw anybody out to save his life and has no other position to play Was his arm injured this year? Not that I ever heard. I would trade him in a heartbeat also. Sign someone like Jansen or yes, Carson Kelly for a year or 2 Better fielding, decent hitter and wait for Bernal or Crooks.
Is there anybody you flat out wouldn’t trade? My list right now, Matthews, Davis, Weatherholt, and a few other minor league pitchers and Winn. (Okay, if the Mariner’s offered my their entire starting rotation…). Other than that anybody is fair game as long as Mo isn’t the person deciding.
If they are really going with the youth movement, i really wish they would give Koperniak a shot this year. I’ve seen a lot of posters on other sites saying he’s a AAAA player. I keep wondering how you can say someone’s a AAAA player if they never get a shotin the show.
Also, MLTR had their picks for free agents. Only three mentions. Sorry, Juan Soto not to the Cards in any universe.
Picks to sign (Please no on both)
David Robertson 40 yr old RP 1/11MM
Matthew Boyd 2/25MMPossible suitor for
Shinnosuke OgasawaraJust curious on thoughts on a couple players. Values per Baseball Trade Values.
Ivan Herrera Value 26.1 – Can hit. Slooooowwww, 55 SB vs 4 CS, YIKES. Where does he play if he can’t vastly improve his arm?
Lars Nootbaar Value 49.1 – TO with less power. Will he ever stay healthy. If really worth that value, you have to consider trading him.
Found the following interesting Cards to Red Sox trade
Fedde Value 9.9
Gorman Value 10.9
Helsley Value 14.0
Romero Value 6.2
Overall 41.0Fitts P Value 2.9
Cespedes 19 SS/2b Value 8.9
Sandlin P Value 3.2
Arias 18 SS/2b Value 10.5
Montgomery OF Value 15 Yes, Braden Montgomery from Texas AM, 12th pick this year.
Overall 40.5Should hopefully have some idea towards future on Monday… Last year I don’t think they even had one.
Stupid question time.
I know competitive balance picks can be traded. What do you think the traded player cost would be? Could it be a lower ranked player plus cash? Are there rules against including cash in this type of trade.
Would be nice to get back in the 2nd round.
Chase Davis sighting. Good night for the kid. Single, 2 doubles and a homer in double hitter. Now can he take some confidence from this?
BlackHillsCard: Amen to that. If you are a college AD, you generally get two shots at a coach of the schools major sport (basketball school or football school). More if your a smaller school and have your coaches poached by larger schools.
I would say Mo shouldn’t have gotten a third shot, but Schildt obviously didn’t bow down to the spreadsheet guys, so they fired a winning manager, dumb. If they let him fire Oli, your just going to get another Mo yes man.
Top 3 memories
David Freese 2011 post season. Dude was amazing.
Waino 2006 closer in National League Series and World Series
Jack Clark in 85. (Pedro Guerrero turning towards the fence and slamming his glove down.)Honorable mention: Any Jim Edmonds spectacular catch.
Most fun in person memory: Ted Simmons giving one to Bill Madlock in 1974 in one of the weirdest brawls of all time. I was in the right field bleachers.
But not very good seasoned leadership, average at best in my opinion. Acquisitions of Goldschmidt and Arenado were great, not sure of any others. Also, many you wish you could have back. (Still wondering what management person on the Rockies he has incriminating pictures of.)
I’m not sure of a single FA signing that was really good. I guess you count Holiday as excellent, but he was a resign, not from another team. First year of Jhonny Peralta was really good, then 1 avg. year and 2 years of yuck. Still hopeful on Contreras and Gray.
(And by the way, 64 and saw first game in 66. Lived through the dreadful 70’s and early 00’s.)
MLB Trade rumors predictions that mention the Cardinals.
5. Aaron Nola. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Cardinals/ Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Cardinals
19. Seth Lugo. Three years, $42MM
Tim: Diamondbacks / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Reds
27. Robert Stephenson. Four years, $36MM
Tim: Cardinals / Anthony: Mets / Darragh: Orioles
32. Nick Martinez. Two years, $25MM
Tim: Cardinals / Anthony: Padres / Darragh: Blue Jays
43. Yuki Matsui. Two years, $16MM
Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Giants / Darragh: Cardinals
44. Frankie Montas. One year, $15MM
Tim: Orioles / Anthony: Nationals / Darragh: Cardinals
46. Hector Neris. Two years, $15MM
Tim: Reds / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Twins
