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Brian Walton 1 week ago.
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That fact that 2019 is not yet done does not stop the gamblers…
First odds I've seen for winning the 2020 World Series (from @betonline_ag) have the Astros at 5/1 favorites, with the Nats and Yanks at 8/1. The #stlcards are well down the list at 25/1, third in the NL Central after MIL (14/1) and the Cubs (20/1).
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) October 30, 2019
Milwaukee seems very overrated and the Cards underrated there. Flipping them sounds about right. What were the Cards’ odds at the beginning of 2019?
If I remember correctly, the Cards were in the 14/1 to 16/1 range to win the World Series before last season. Adding Goldschmidt gave them a shot.
(There is a thread with that info here somewhere – if you care enough to search for it…)
At this point (before 2019 is done), you’re obviously betting on more unknowns, with hot stove activities being a biggie. Seems like those odds for the Cards are at least a partial hit on the confidence in the front office to do things like replace Ozuna’s offensive production in LF or generate offensive production at other positions. Maybe the odds makers believe Mo and Shildt are serious about making Carp a LFer.
Your suppositions make sense to me, Euro.
I do have one question. Has Mo or Shildt actually been quoted anywhere saying they are considering Carpenter in left field? I ask in all seriousness. I know some fans are discussing it, but a comment directly from those in the know would be very different and I’ve not seen anything from them on it. Thanks.
Good question, Brian, and I don’t know the answer. I have been thinking the discussion of Carp possibly moving to LF was based on more than random fan speculation. But sometimes we hear things enough and they end up carrying more credibility than they should. After a quick search, I didn’t seen a Mo or Shildt quote, but did see this from BenFred in response to the possibility.
BENFRED: We will find out. The Cardinals have not rolled out a campaign or anything about it. People want to know what the options are for Carpenter if he’s back, and left field is one of them. If he hits like he did this season, Carpenter at any position is not great.
When I probed, I got thumbs down, but time will tell.
I don’t know a lot about gambling but Goold’s observation here makes sense to me.
This says nothing about the team and everything about how bored bettors are with the team. So it’s trying to spur action.
— Derrick S. Ghould (@dgoold) October 30, 2019
Of course, odds always try to reflect bettor attitudes. Nothing new about that.
Bettors will be jumping on the Dodgers at 12/1.
Dont understand the Colorado love. I like the Phillies better than the Cards at 25:1 because they will likely do more to improve. For the same reasons I might take a flyer on the White Sox at 50:1
The Phils already have made moves by hiring Joe Girardi and Bryan Price. The Sox’ upside is good young talent. They supposedly were in the free agent market last winter and did nothing.
Cleveland wins it all in 2020. I’ll tell you one team I wouldn’t take at 50-1, let alone 8-1. And that’s our present world champions. No way they repeat.
I believe the current Cardinal odds reflects the amount of uncertainty with the team’s roster. At this point, I would not be willing to project the Cards as a top eight team. Two or three good offseason moves may propel them into that category.
Going back to the Carp in LF suggestion above, his throws from 3rd to 1st (even when he’s rushing) look like lob passes in the NBA.
I am sure the FO feels the pressure to figure out “what do we do with him” followed with “why did we give him that deal” but anything that involves throwing a ball farther than 60-90 feet shouldn’t be discussed.
Going back to the Carp in LF suggestion above, his throws from 3rd to 1st (even when he’s rushing) look like lob passes in the NBA.
I am sure the FO feels the pressure to figure out “what do we do with him” followed with “why did we give him that deal” but anything that involves throwing a ball farther than 60-90 feet shouldn’t be discussed.
Maybe Mo should lobby real hard for the DH to the NL to be implemented for 2020. lol
Seriously, it probably won’t happen until 2022 if at all.
Even more or less standing pat as it seems the Cardinals may, so many of them underperformed at the plate last year that you have think there will be some improvement with the offense?
Even more or less standing pat as it seems the Cardinals may, so many of them underperformed at the plate last year that you have think there will be some improvement with the offense?
CArpenter has nowhere to go but up. He should be in a timeshare wherever he plays
Dejong will not improve enough to matter
Wong I could see a little regression.
Goldschmidt could rebound a bit.
Expect a regression from Edman
Fowler who knows. Should be a timeshare IMO.
Molina who knows. You get a .750 ops and you run with it.
Bader has nowhere to go but up but he has to change his approach to do it.
Team will not get to 90 wins as currently constructed on offense.
BTW I always thought Carpenter was destined for LF at some point. Maybe next year is the 1 year experiment.
Did any of the analytic or betting sites have the Cardinals pegged to win the NLC in 2019? If so, there weren’t many.
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gscottar.
At least one had the Cubs and Cards co-favorites after all the signings. Others had the top three tightly bunched.
Here is the link to the corresponding 2019 thread to this one.
https://thecardinalnation.com/forums/topic/2019-projections-thread/
People who write prediction articles for next season before any free agents sign are working with incomplete assumptions at best. Given that, MLB’s Anthony Castrovince throws up a Hail Mary, picking the Reds to win the NL Central in 2020.
Guessing he is not heading to his place of gambling to put down a bet on it, though. If they somehow make it, you can bet he’ll be crowing about it later on.
https://www.mlb.com/news/way-too-early-mlb-division-predictions
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