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As we play out the string on another underwhelming season thoughts start turning to 2025. I really don’t know if Marmol will be replaced or not for next year but I am guessing there is at least a 50% chance. I have come up with a list of the usual suspects who have been mentioned in the past or maybe not mentioned. Some are obviously more likely than others. Who do you guys think the manager will be in 2025 and why?
Ollie Marmol
Daniel Descalso
Stubby Clapp
Pop Warner
Gary Kendall
Skip Schumaker
Yadier Molina
Albert Pujols
Matt Holliday
Terry Francona
Buck Showalter
Joe Maddon
Alec Burleson as player/manager in honor of shady.
Someone ElseI expect Marmol in 25′.
Oli will avoid philosophical differences. Bill and Mo know they can get 93 wins with him in place, if the roster plays better. He fits them while Mo is at the helm.
I agree with JJ. The hitters performed far below expectations. Ollie did a solid job of bullpen management. I have no clue how he does behind the scenes with the players though, which could be a major factor. Overall, I’m indifferent on who would be a better manager. But I do want to say that Gary Kendall has done a great job year over year with the young players at Palm Beach. That doesn’t mean he’d make a good manager in the MLB, but he deserves kudos for the job he’s doing.
Joe Maddon.
A little older but I would like to see a much more experienced manager than Marmol, Shildt, and Matheny. Shildt has done fine, however.
I want Mo to not be calling the shots. Whoever Bloom or the acting pobo wants. Oli is my last choice. Skip would be my first.
If a change is made, Stubby or Skip are probably the front runners abs safest choices. I have floated Terry Pendleton’s name out, but am not sure he is interested in managing. He strikes me as a natural, and played for a couple of great ones in Whitey Herzog and Bobby Cox.
Since Ollie got an extension though, my guess is he will get a shot to manage next year. Personally I don’t see anything special about him, and don’t understand his batting orders. He also baffles me at times with his pitching decisions.
But on the plus side, he has us around .500 most of the year despite being well outscored overall. So he has not been horrible this year by any means. The unknown is the clubhouse and what the players think.
I don’t know enough about individuals or their specific qualities to name a name. I would not like to see Ollie back. I would like to see a mature manager with a reasonable record of success. Of course, that’s what every other team in the league wants too.
I’m going with Marmol. I think he did as good a job as anybody else would have. I also like how he is willing to at least bring prospects up to look at. TLR, in particular, would have harped and complained until our prospects were traded away for somebody with a track record. Most managers, IMHO, would have kicked Pallante right over to the curb. Marmol stuck with him and it’s looks like we are getting a solid No. 3 out of Pallante, and possibly, an eventual No. 2. Craig Counsel looked like a genius when he was with the Brewers, but he doesn’t look like a genius with the Cubs. IMO, something needs to be done to improve the Cardinals’ scouting. It’s not that their scouting is lousy, but it’s just not up to the level of some other teams like the Rays, Guardians, Brewers, Braves.
Call me crazy, but my choice would be Descalso. For obvious reasons, I don’t think either Yadier or Albert would ever be a good choice to answer to Johnny. I lost respect for Showalter when he had the umpires check Musgrove’s ears in the ’22 NLWC. And I don’t think Willie Jr. would consider Maddon or Francona because of the money he’d have to spend, so I’d say there’s little chance for either of those two. I wouldn’t at all mind seeing Skippy get a chance, but for some odd reason I think Dirty Dan would be a decent choice for a Big League field manager.
I forgot about Pendleton. Thanks mike. Terry has been out of baseball since 2017 and I don’t know if he wants back in or not. I agree it would be nice to have him back in the Cardinal organization even if it was as bench coach or a base coach. I also didn’t list Oquendo since that ship seems to have sailed. He seems to like his position in Florida.
Schumaker would probably be my first choice as manager but there are several on that list who would be good.
Shu would probably be the betting favorite, but if a change is made, they won’t go young again on the heels of Oli. Not sure who they will tab, but I do know he won’t be under age 45.
It is pointless to consider anyone but another organization drone if Mo remains in charge. His system does not seem to require a manager who brings anything to the table, because Mo thinks the system places everything needed on the table. I think Shildt got whacked because he did not embrace that reality. So we need to first know if Mo will be in charge next year.
If he is, I don’t think he will replace Marmol.
If he is not, then presumably Bloom will be in charge, in which case Marmol will surely be replaced by someone of Bloom’s choosing. I doubt that will be any sort of Cardinals legacy hire, or fan favorite hire. Bloom strikes me as an East coast guy and I think it would be somebody with connection to an east coast organization. Even though Skip falls within that group, I do not think Bloom will go with anyone who has substantial connection to present players, staff, Mo, or anyone up and down the organization.
Both Skippy and Danny are Califonia kids who played on the same WS championship team for the same HOF manager. I’d be good with either guy manning up on the top step.
, I do not think Bloom will go with anyone who has substantial connection to present players, staff, Mo, or anyone up and down the organization
That’s probably the smart play. I vote yes.
The Brewers don’t look any worse off after Counsell walked away.
Pat Murphy has no stellar managing resume’, but there’s no drop off in his Brewers.
It makes me think the pitching and hitting dept’s are optimizing the Brewers efficiency, regardless of the manager.
I’d like to feel the same way about the Cardinals.
The Cardinals know that there’s a feeling among the fanbase that a big change is needed. Pure PR principles almost dictate it. That means Bloom has to become more in the spotlight and
there probably has to be changes in the manager (and several coaches) at the major league level. Not just changes for change sake, but changes for the better. They know they need to regenerate excitement.Rekindles very fond memories of the hit book “I’m OK….You’re OK”, Cranny. I recall seeing that book in my mother’s room as a kid, but fortunately never read one page of it myself. Who knows, maybe there was a movie in all of this(I’m OK….You’re OK)? It’s not like Hollywood to miss out on a golden opportunity.
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