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I would think they know it’s coming but they haven’t even started marketing in earnest.
They will figure out a catchy slogan, and maybe put Bloom’s face on it
Winn, Contreras, and Gray (and maybe Helsley) will figure in.
Something like “The future is now! Come see your Cardinals compete for a playoff spot!”
I truly do not believe much of any team’s record is due to the manager. A handful of games either way.
Now sure, if you lose the division by three games you might be able to blame your manager or credit the other guy.
If he is not, then presumably Bloom will be in charge, in which case Marmol will surely be replaced by someone of Bloom’s choosing. I doubt that will be any sort of Cardinals legacy hire, or fan favorite hire. Bloom strikes me as an East coast guy and I think it would be somebody with connection to an east coast organization. Even though Skip falls within that group, I do not think Bloom will go with anyone who has substantial connection to present players, staff, Mo, or anyone up and down the organization.
I was thinking about this. I assume Bloom knows who Joe Maddon is eh?
When I think of some of the most successful managers of the past 50 years, I think of names like Torre, LaRussa, Martin, Herzog, Cox and Bochy. One thing that each of these managers have in common is that they all achieved success with more than one organization. In my view, the field manager has a lot to do with the success or failure of a baseball team.
Yeah, he used to forget in SF too, but his memory only failed him in the odd numbered years. His team won it all in 2010, 2012 and 2014. And in Texas, he’s only been forgetful in the even numbered years…So far.
Marmol isnt totally at fault but he has enough of the fault. For this team ownership to be taken seriously, he needs to go.
I saw where the reds let bell go and they extended him last year. The reds should have been better this year, maybe their ownership is finally getting wise. Cardinals ownership pay attention.
Spot on 1TD. When Bochy has the roster to win it all, he helps their chances.
When his roster underwhelms, he’s helpless. He has dropped 20 wins from season to season, and gained 20 wins too.
It’s the players, not the managers, as Bochy’s track record shows.
It was either Herzog or Weaver that said a good manager can only ‘steal’ about 4-5 games a year.
Did they say anything about how many games a bad manager can give away?
The Cubs didn’t make the playoffs, either. And they had the great Craig Counsell with his record-setting $40M contract as manager.
As another poster said the Cardinals lost because Goldschmidt, Arenado, Gorman, and Walker didn’t hit worth squat, not because of the manager. Combine that with the last vestiges of Wainwright and Molina finally evaporating. Then, add that the Cardinals had several players who were still trying to find their ceiling, if there really is such a thing….. players like Siani. Burleson, Herrera, Pages, and even Donovan and Nootbaar, IMHO.
For those that consider Oli a -5 losses manager, the other outlier, it’s a 10 game win/loss swing. Roughly the same difference between our current W/L, and a postseason berth. I get the significance.
So, 93 wins has always been a strong season. Oli has one in 2022. Was that roster really a 98 win club that Oli held back?
If you believe Oli to fall between +2 games, and -2 games, possibly manager is a back burner item for you? It is for me, but when you’re soured on any manager, he simply has to go.
Should hopefully have some idea towards future on Monday… Last year I don’t think they even had one.
Baseball is 90% psychological and the other half is skill. This goes for firing managers, too. Psychology and messaging. Selling tickets and $14 cups of beer.
That article Card4Ever linked is interesting. It sure looks like the M&M boys (Mozeliak and Marmol) will be shown the door, with others probably being given the heave-ho as well.
It also appears the clubhouse leadership issue from 2023 was resolved this year, but still not enough to get us to the post season.
The biggest issue, as we have expressed, is why some of our top prospects do not continue to improve, not to mention that several have done well after leaving this organization. Bloom undoubtedly has some thoughts on that and it appears will be given a chance to run the operation.
We don’t know if Bloom takes over for Mo in 2025 or 2026 or if ever. Perhaps he takes the Gary LaRocque job in 2025 with PBO promised in 2026.
I fully expect Marmol to be back.
I’d love to see Carlos Beltran get the job in 2026 (if not sooner).
I’m pretty certain that most are aware that the only 3 Redbird managers to win the MOY award are named Tony LaRussa, Whitey Herzog and Mike Schildt. The Cardinal bosses may have decided to fire a pretty good one if Schildt pans out anywhere near as capable as the first two names. And it really gets embarrassing when you consider who they chose as Schildt’s replacement. There’s dumb, and then there’s double dumb, but I’d have to say that the current clan of circus clowns are beginning to fall under the category of deranged.
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