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i think this is a terrible move for Shildt

he likes things HIS way, and the egos on that team seem to have been the problem last year, and i dont see the org siding with an old-school coach over their mega millions superstars

it is a move ON PAPER that makes sense…bring order and responsibility with old school manager…but with the guys (Machado, Soto, Tatis, Xander etc.) i just think this is not going to work

[thejager]

disappointing

i’d rather see one pitcher for 23 and let Zach get the last spot..

hopefully we arent done…and we are in on a big SP

even a trade for one of the SEA kids wont move the needle for the rotation

Yamamoto feels the only option if we are looking at anything resembling a rotation that can win

[thejager]

They will buy one starter

Snell or Nola feel like the targets right now…Yamamoto feels possible but unlikely

I then think Moz will go vet short (believing in his youngsters)… like Paxton or Rich Hill

or he tries to out think the market and we end up with some guy coming back from Asia or a VDH clone

he MAY look for a trade, but they will want the guys we dont want to give up so either we end up with a bad trade losing too much or we lose a really good player for something that still probably has warts

me:
Nola
try to trade for Kopech or maybe Sandoval from LAA (though i think Sandoval will cost too much)
kick tires on Lorenzen depending on price and length

thinking is that Kopech and Lorenzen’s stuff i think plays in the pen if they dont work out in rotation or a kid breaks through

what probably happens:
M Perez for too much
trade for Paul Blackburn
R Hill….who we get 3 years too late to be worth it

[thejager]

Moz missed his chance at a normal offseason by not finding at least one SP in a trade or by keeping Jack or Monty and extending them

now he is in a hole

at least 2 MAJOR FA SP acquisitions PLUS probably one good bullpen piece

#1… Nola or Snell
Mik
#3 Not sure who he targets, Monty or Monty-like feels a solid target
Matz
Libby or bargain bin vet (Hill, Paxton maybe?)

If you could land Nola nd Snell it doesnt get us younger but it at least gets us some history of success but i think that is even a reach

Until our next wave of kids show up and are effective (Hence, Graceffo, McGreevy) I think we are stuck targeting 3-4yr deal SPs

I imagine Moz will try to outthink the market with one FA SP (ala Matz), and then probably overpay for someone who isn’t his first choice.

I feel Moz’s wheelhouse has always been at his best when his offseason looks like:
ONE trade
ONE big FA
a few bargain bin pieces
extensions

and the fewer of any of those brings us better quality in the others

I imagine we will end up with

Snell (overpay)
Wacha (hope for health)
Hill (overpay and 3-4yrs too late…ala Mark Ellis, ANdrew Miller)
2-3 hopes and dreams relievers

Moz has pulled off some nice trades lately with Goldy and Arenado that didnt cost us much, maybe he can do that with pitching

I am wondering if we are seeing a potential Angels selloff if Ohtani bolts, bring in Trout, but even if not target Sandoval who has had a down year but has plenty of control

Kopech from CWS seems a very worthy target with his control remaining…io still think a Burly centered deal could make that happen

Off the top of my head with the deadline fresh and no knowledge of so many things yet:

And all the wheeling and dealing i can manage :P)

Nola FA probably overpay (25m per)
Hader FA overpay definitely (16m per)
trade Nootbaar, Baker, Hjerpe, Baez, for Trout and Sandoval (Goldy/Arenado type deal….assuming Ohtani leaves and Angels) (we take on almost all of the money to also snag Sandoval) (Trout 35m, Sandoval ~3m?)
trade Burly + Ivan + for Kopech
Solano FA
Jankowski FA

Nola
Mik
Sandoval
Matz
Kopech/Libby

Hader Helsley Gallegos Jojo ZachT VDH King…kid

Donovan
Trout
Goldy
Arenado
Gorman
Contreras
Walker
Carlson
Edman

Kniz, Jankowski, Solano, kid

Just what i’d love to try….but the real answer will be so far from it

again probably…1 trade, 1 FA, dumpster diving, an extension or two…

super long… ugh

[thejager]

Oneill, Monty OR Jack not both, Stratton, Ivan or Knizner, Burly, Yepez, Baker, DeJong, Contreras if he is as upset and willing to be traded

all squarely on the table and should be moved

it might not bring back the gamechangers, but it would at least free up roster spots and money for FA’s in the offseason

Most of the season problems came from lack of starting pitching which was known before the season started and FO’s over dependence on middling and aging starters

Combined with losing the entire starting OF was enormous

2024

Mikolas, Jack or Monty, FA SP, FA SP or traded for SP, Matz/Libertore/kids/etc.

Helsley, Gallegos, Hicks (power 3 back end keep it intact), Tepera, Thompson, Jojo, VanDerHagen, kid or vet FA

Edman- SS
Walker- RF/DH
Goldy- 1
Arenado- 3
Contreras- C
Gorman- DH/2b
Carlson- CF
Donovan- 2b/RF
Nootbaar- LF/RF

Ivan or Knizner, FA vet OF, FA or traded for SS/MI, FA or trade for corner IF or who isn’t trade (Baker/Yepez/Burly)

The team really isnt as far off as it seems

– 1 or 2 level SP (Nola?)
– a veteran innings eater SP
– a couple more dependable FA bench players and maybe a vet RP

Most of the players on the team are just fine

major injuries to the OF was a nightmare for defense and forced out of position mostly kids players all over the place

add that to an already thin SP unit and the WBC and you have a terrible first half you saw

but if you watch the team, it isnt that far off

They have rattled off 8 of 10… and 5 straight and that isn’t NOTHING

They are one sweep of the Cubs from hitting that 8 in a row mark that Moz said he might reconsider

i think even with a split this weekend you have to reconsider the sale at least from what they thought

There is still plenty to move…but the returns might not have to be what he initially expected

At the end of the day…if you arent going to move Goldy or Arenado then you arent going to gut the team…
they are veterans and arent signed on for a rebuild…so you can’t rebuild

and Moz has never been a huge mover and shaker in the offseason for multiple acquisitions, he tend to sign ONE FA, make ONE trade, and focus on extensions and a few under the radar things…that’s his wheelhouse

if he an make a trade now for one controllable pitcher, and maybe find a bench bat player and maybe a reliever in the trades now it will set him up to stay in his wheelhouse

– one premiere FA signing
– extensions
– and a trade for a bench bat or reliever or something to fill out the team

otherwise he will be forced to do multiple big FA signings and lots of trades to get the team back in contention next year to align with the ages of Goldy and Arenado

as for trade targets right now?

off the top of my head:

– target Jose Barerro with the Reds
still has upside, young, SS/CF mix, power and speed, has ZERO future with Reds with Elly and McClain and India holding the infield, yes it is intra-division but Reds i think have moved on from him and he is the type of upper level MLB ready player the Cardinals might be able to get and “fix”, taking on Wil Myers or Newman’s contract also could be a tactic to make it cheaper

– target Michael Kopech from the White Sox
a little upside, swing and miss stuff, change of scenery candidate, control, lost his prospect luster so price might be attainable, and if he doesnt work out as starter his stuff could be used for the pen, i feel Burleson + lower level prospect for Kopech is close, but can add more if need be.

– target Michael Lorenzen from Detroit
like Kopech but has less upside, still has swing or miss stuff, a return to central might do him good, starter or swing or bullpen is all possible, a bit of a gamble but arms are needed and versatile ones might be the best option

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i agree it wouldn’t be easy

but maybe Contreras WANTS to move on seeing some writing on the wall that FO seems unimpressed with him so far, and jumping ship might be best

i severely doubt it

as for Knizner and Ivan

i disagree Knizner was given a real shot, and even if so his early season numbers this year seem to show improvement at least with the eye test

not to mention who caress about hitting from the spot, we used to not care with Matheny and earlier as well as early Yadi…we got spoiled with YAdi becomign a hitter, but we shouldnt forget we didnt make him a starter because of his bat nor kept MAtheny back there so long because of it

also Ivan and Knizner platoon might be a halfway decent bit of offensive numbers as they grow

All i am saying is that if Contreras has wore out his welcome and there is big team with big money willing to take on his contract for a slight return, then maybe we should explore it seeing as we will obviously need/want funds to fix the pitching in the offseason

and even if Knizner and Ivan arent great at the plate they wont hurt the staff which seems to be a real issue with Contreras early on, AND we could always explore a different catcher in the winter if we wanted

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Yepez isnt doing great…and I am not saying he brings much, but he is less than half a year removed from being very promising

if we evaluate guys only on the first half then why would anyone want many of them?

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saw Yanks are looking for catching, pitching

not saying it happens… but Willson trade? it’s a lot of money in his contract and signals a mistake by our FO, but he still hits for power and the Yanks might be the only team willing to pay money like that

Not sure what we get back, but could open some payroll for pitching in the winter whiel we give Ivan and Knizner a real shot

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I think it is mistake for the team to do TOO much, for it’s failings this year, they were all pretty evident coming in and they were not addressed in the offseason.

starting pitching:
– depending on a retiring Wainwright for the 5 spot was problematic, even with Libby at AAA
– depending on Jack to return to form as an impact SP
– Matz BECOMING an impact or even dependable SP
– Mikolas and Montgomery being your “go to” guys was shaky thinking, maybe Mik but even Monty was a stretch even after his fine addition at the deadline
– team was carry 2-3 (with all things considered and with depth) dependable SP
– that was AWLAYS going to be a problem and we saw it, team had no stopper and injuries were going to happen

too much of the same player:
– Yepez, Burleson, Baker…maybe even Gorman and Walker in a pinch
– bat first players with power, and promise but no dependability or track record
– also produced issue of no backup CF when ALL of the starting OF went down to injury (Carlson, Noot, Oneill)

No one could have predicted or dealt with the injury bug to the outfield that the Cardinals got and since it has healed up hasnt been all that bad

depending on Walker for anything:
– he is an amazing talent but him being ran out there opening day was bad despite his successes
– i love the kid but that the team felt he was NEEDED despite “earning it in spring training” (which while the total numbers look good, they were all padded by early ST stats, he fell off late hard)
– Walker “earn it” gave the front office excuse to not upgrade the depth or veteran ranks for the bench in OF

Contreras signing was typical over reaction by Moz:
– see past similar mistakes in Fowler, Leake, Ozuna trade
– all were reaches on second choice players that were second choice for a reason
– they missed on Murphy BIG TIME…not just in hindsight…we may never know the real ask, but not working out a deal is a killing blow to finances
– that money SHOULD have been used on a starting pitcher, and that starting pitcher should have helped them still be in contention right now and not selling off
– Ivan and Knizner are not flashy, they arent Murphy…not even Contreras, but they were ready to split the job…and instead of spending that money AT LEAST on a solid SP they overreacted and signed Contreras who is NO slouch, but with Ivan and Knizner you didnt have to do it, you could have waited and saw what you had in your own kids

Not spending MORE:
– despite the miss on Contreras they could have spent on starting pitcher and they decided not to
– they chose to bet on their cobbled together SP ranks over their young hitting talent and seasoned youngsters Ivan and Knizner to hold the fort down and battle it out for who is ready, knowing at the least they could cover defensively and their woudl be no problems with getting to know the staff

They need to recognize they have a good team, but will have to spend in the offseason for pitching….but they also have parts that should bring them back a decent prospect or two and hopefully a young pitcher

– 2 of Yepez, Burleson, Baker are fine young hitting talents that just dont have a place on this roster, but need to go as the team needs to deal for what it DOESNT have

– DeJong needs to go, even if just to make room for Edman starting or Winn coming,

-There is case to be made for dealing Edman now, but with his play in CF, they may not want to lose him if they deal an outfielder

– one of ONeill, Carlson…. Edman, still value, if not what it was

-Monty or Jack…not both (re-sign one)

– Stratton, Ver Hagen, Genesis, Hudson, Woodford all can go

– one of Ivan, Knizner…or even Willson…all have value just varying levels

package some young/good hitting for a young starting pitcher (with control) from a team pushing for playoffs:
– Gilbert, Cease etc.
– maybe Gilbert

package rental pitchers etc. for upside young talent
– Reds? Jack for Barrero (that kind of deal)

deal others for decent prospects from upper tier or better from lower

offseason sign an Ace/2 and re-sign one of Jack or Monty and bring in a veteran SP or two for ST invites
– if it was me, you write a blank check for Ohtani….750m? fine…it will be worth it
– but…more likely Giolito, Gray, Nola, Perez, Severino…if we are lucky Urias
– if Scherzer opts out he is always an option with his StL roots

look for vets to fill bench roles, 1yr deals

StL 2024

– Nootbaar- RF
– Donovan- LF
– Goldschmidt- 1
– Arenado- 3
– Contreras- C
– Gorman- 2b
– Walker- DH
– Carlson- CF
– Edman- SS

Yepez, Knizner, Barrero, FA OF

Nola, Mik, Gilbert, Monty, Matz/Libertore…kids (to get Gilbert, Edman or better prospects would have to be on the table)

Helsley, Hicks, Gallegos, etc. maybe a FA RP of some quality

It’s not perfect thinking, and there are caveats and options all over the place when it comes to specifics….but the key is starting pitching quality, and clearing out the repetitive parts while embracing some veteran FA hitters of positional need

yeah this is long

[thejager]

designated Genesis…

look he hasnt become what we want, and has been trending down, but are we really in a position to let go of 26yr old lefty pitchers that have shown they can be pretty darn great?

I mean DeJong looked like garbage for the last 3 years and he remains

[thejager]

So the last two years the FO made additions that made big differences for the second half, but we were not this far out. Which did not require losing major pieces. We also probably need a reliever if we are being honest.

Lester Happ
Monty Quint

I dont know if that level of talent is going to cut it this far out, so perhaps to get the pieces we need we will have to lose some important parts

CWS and SEA look like reasonable partners, but everyone will be looking for the same things we want and will be far less desperate

I don’t think they are willing to throw away this year no matter how far out, so something WILL happen, whether it is enough is the issue

Cease
Giolito
Nola
Greinke
probably any starter on SEA except Kirby and Castillo
Snell or Lugo from SD maybe

As much as I hate I think Goldy could be a chip, he probably won’t bring back some amazing chip, but to a contender perhaps…but none of the rebuilders will be interested…

I wonder if TB might want Goldy….could a guy like Glasnow come back? He’s expensive but has a year of control with his contract and they havent really needed him, I’d like to think a straight swap works for both teams, but with Goldy’s contract i think we may have to add another piece…catcher seems a weak link on their team so maybe Herrera makes it palatable. Goldy as DH/1b with Yandy is formidable and makes for an impressive

It’s a gamble for the Cardinals as Glasnow has been so hurt, but has all the stuff to be what we lack. And getting out from Goldy’s contract might be what ther team needs goign into the offseason, and to be honest we do have depth at 1b even if not Goldy level.

Would Arenado be ok with it? That’d be the only issue internally

If we can acquire one chip like that, it makes the hurt far worse for acquiring another part of significance

I look at 2 routes
-CWS Cease with his extra year (with hopes of extending)
-Nola on his expiring contract (with hopes of signing him)

pieces on the table?
Noot or Carlson
Edman or Donovan
TON
Yepez
Burly
Baker
Matz

I’d also go looking for a some veteran OF help from someone…maybe a Laureano from OAK or someone of great defensive prowess

I doubt Goldy gets moved
I doubt if we move a major young chip it will return hat we think it is or will be (outside of a blockbuster like trading Walker for Ohtani with his 500m extension or something)

A vet
and someone with a year of control is probably our best bet

the group of Burly, Yepez, Baker need to be cleared out or made explicit room for

Contreras-c
Gorman-2
DeJong-SS
Walker-DH
Goldy-1
Arenado-3
Edman-cf
Donovan-lf/rf
Noot or Carlson lf/rf

Looks like our strongest starting 9

I’d consider anyone else easily on the batter block

Baker, TON, Kniz, Wynn, Yepez, Burly, Ivan all feel replaceable even if we like them

but those are the safe guys to move…and also bring us the least back…especially of significance

Maybe we could swing an Aaron Nola and or Giolito? with hopes of a big extension?

They will be highly desired so i dont know if our MLB ready guys will be the impact a rebuilding team will want

It’s gonna bee a hairy deadline…the disappointment of the season combined with possibly losing a major young player we like for a last grasp at this season….might be too much for the fanbase.

Everyone has every reason to question some of the decisions made recently as we watch our throwaways and trades at the All Star game or one TV every night while the returns slump or are ineffective

Sorry so long…just been a tough year

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I really like Winn, but given what i have seen from Walker and Gorman i think I could accept moving him for a guy like Cease

I wonder if Herrera would be of interest to them and maybe build off of that?

I know these are guys kind of in the doghouse or actively thrown around but:

Ivan
Yepez
Burly
??

[thejager]

Have people proposed Cease?

What would it take to get him?

He seems a good target

[thejager]

It’s feeling like another midyear SP jolt is coming

Bieber and Paxton feel like snags that could happen

Bieber being the Monty type of deal
and
Paxton the expiring contract veteran looking to to get a contract in the offseason through good performance

Mik
Bieber
Monty
Waino
Paxton

Jack and Libertore (and Matz) to pen or split 6th man

It’s not a perfect idea, but the way this year has been going (and like the last two years) it seems the FO is willing to sacrifice the first half of the year in hopes that the starters ascend only to find out they need to buy rentals at the deadline

Cost saving? probably….and in the central nowadays (and like the last 2 years) maybe all you need to do is stay close for the first half and turn it on for the second

If we do a Bieber move…which “feels” like a Moz move… I wonder if we could find a way to get Kwan in the deal, he has come down from his amazing last year, but i think the StL fans would love him and he still has some upside, but his contact rate is great and defense is wonderful. We tend to have an all out defender on the club and we don’t have one…if that defender can HIT…that’s golden

No reason for CLE to move him, but with our farm I wonder if we could make it happen

[thejager]

I keep going back and forth from lots of things to just a few. But we are 11 under now.

We definitely need a jolt.

the “please be patient” time is over…the boos last night showed it pretty clear…the fans are upset and want to see a change. The FO should know the faith of their supporters can’t go away this early in the year, they need that summer revenue and a last place team with nothing to play for is not going to get the kids and families crammed in.

And a once a week “last chance to see Waino” isn’t going to cut it like the Yadi and Pujols send off sales push they got last year…add in the team was playing well to boot

I am usually the last person to scream for a managerial change…but I don’t see another major JOLT to the coaching staff and for the players that can happen to show that they are serious about fixing things

I like Oli but i think he just lost too much of the veterans around him that helped him last year. We wanted change in coaching, but it was too much

Clapp is respected and I think he gets the nod. you could go left field and give it to McGee but i don’t think he wants it. I don’t like suggesting the managerial change, but the FO isn’t going to blame themselves

After that…some moves within the org Waino and Libertore up, Woodford down, Matz to pen. Zuniga or Jojo back to AAA…Yepez up Motter gone to AAA hopefully

That’s it for moves

Front office should be working a trade for a starter using some combination of Yepez, Burleson, Oneill, Nootbaar, DeJong, maybe Edman or Donovan

Eduardo Rodriguez from Detroit might work for are building Tigers team looking for young power
Maybe SD would deal Trent Grisham? I have always wondered if her needed a change of scenery. Maybe Michael Taylor or Max Kepler from the Twins?

As for lineup: I am a fan of sticking with something and seeing it through. the DH’s can rotate, but the left hand lineup and the right hand lineup should be pretty much set. Same goes for batting order. No options tried for less than a week.

Someone mentioned going defense first. I would agree. Puts a lot of power on the bench so makes late game pinch hitting tough as it hurts the defense late.

Edman
Donovan
Carlson
Arenado
Goldy
ONeill
Nootbaar
Contreras
DH Yepez and Gorman (RH and LH platoon)

what order they are in, i am not sure, but they play every day either at DH or in the field. Contreras gets 1 day off a week for rest, but he bats in DH spot.

Knizner, DeJong, Yepez/Gorman, Burleson

Mikolas, Monty, Waino, Jack, Libertore
Helsley, Gallegos, Hicks, Genesis, Jojo, DVH, Stratton, Matz

So…

– Oli out Clapp in
– Yepez in Motter out
– Libertore, Waino in Woodford, Zuniga down
– Moz works phones for trades one good starter, and maybe a better hitting short term outfielder, while Jordan gets ABs and works on defense
– stop messing with lineup and order evaluate after each week

Anyways, i have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts

I am trying to practice patience…but man…last night was a tough one

Sorry so long…as usual

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Obviously, I have some ideas and thoughts, as i posted the topic, but I am curious to read other people’s ideas.

There are all sorts of obvious ones, that an be tried but I truly wonder WHY you (and I) think what we think will truly make a difference and make up at least 10 games to get us back in the hunt

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no disrespect as he looks solid…but at 30 why is “Don Quixote” getting so much playing time? Is he really our best depth option?

Yes I know his name is Juniel Querecuto

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i hope they can move the camera up just about 6inches

that’s all i think it needs to see at least a sliver of the home plate

i have tried email people, btu nothing back

i dont have twitter so maybe someone could tweet at the announcers, or bally video crew, or STL stuff I dunno? I dont that service so i am not sure how easily it is to do all that?

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Brian or anyone

Anyone have any contacts at all with Bally? Or the guys on the video crew?

I get that it’s the first ST game but can they raise the camera just a little so we can actually see the plate? Even a little sliver of white would be helpful

It’s never been this low

[thejager]

Bauer hits women

period

[thejager]

I thought Jack looked pretty good at the end of the season..plenty of rust, but trending up. Far more reasons for optimism with him the pessimism

sounds like a lot of people drew their own personal lines in the sand for whatever reason be it performance, injury. or personal hate of him for using his platform and speaking out (which obviously ONY rubs you if you are against his opinions)…and they can’t help but stay on their side as they have invested too much in their decision and they can’t back down now…no matter the facts

He is going into offseason healthy, on a good team, with plenty of money to play for

I hope he is awesome and we give him a fat extension, i even hope he is good and we still give him a good extension

[thejager]

ugh….

BUT…with the changes to the bases, the limited throw overs, and the stolen base being undervalued IMO

I could see a speedy contact team with good defense being put together for a team with limited assets or one trying to reinvent themselves

Not all these guys are available, most arent, but it’s the idea

c- Varsho
1- Arraez
2- Edman
3- Berti
ss- Mondesi
lf- Mateo
cf- McCarthy
rf- Adolis G
dh- Straw
bench- d moore, Hamilton, F Mejia, M Rojas, K Farmer

pitching is always tough, but make it a pitchers park, make it as deep as possible, crazy nooks and crannies for balls to get to, trust the team speed on defense to help you and harm the opponent

ground ballers…maybe vets at the end of the line…4-5 inning guys
and spend on your closer and relief corps

-goal is to get on…then steal…green light all day…
-Arraez serves as contact first 3 spot guy (multi positional)
– multi position is big
– get on then steal… have enough base stealers on your bench to turn any base hit into a triple and bring them in
– not trying for multi run innings….base on balls with no outs…steal…bunt em over..sac fly in, that’s the goal

be fun to watch if nothign else

but gutting THIS team…for some pipe dream of days gone by….come on

[thejager]

Well..we arent going to sign 4 new starters… if you think they are going into the year with 4 new starters you are kidding yourself and your expectations are out of control

-Mikolas is fine
-Jack was injured..came back and had moments… no reason to believe he can’t be better with good offseason
-Waino is old…got tired by the end of the year….why assume it is worse if you wont assume it could be better
-Matz…was injured..came back and filled his role fine…he’s not getting cut so he’s gonna get a shot
-Hudson..ups and downs last year…no reason he cant figure it out
-Montgomery…seems a solid option for innings and decent pitching
-Libertore…first time through looked not so ggreat….but so what…not everyone figures it out immeditaley

Mikolas looks like dirt after he first came back from injury…then after a little time..he was fine and then even good to great

Would a high end starter help? sure…but 27m, for Rodon..who has had his share of terrible years and injuries…doesnt seem a fit at that price point..
Quintana seems a missed opportunity…but i have to trust that means they a re looking for a trade…or have received really positive feedback about the arms they have and their offseason routines

For better or worse professional baseball people for the Cardinals are making decisions and we don’t know all the reasoning…what i do know is that the last two years they recognized issues and addressed them during the season…was it enough? nope…but i cant say they didnt make smart choices that ended in good results.

I don’t what some of you expect to happen every year…total tear downs and rebuilds based on last year’s production alone?

Whatever…i have my fair share of pessimism from time to time… but because we dont make one move deciding the failure of that move is justified by being overly pessimistic about everything else to justify your opinion seems pretty reactionary

I am not rose colored glasses here…i see missed opportunities all over the place…but i am not going to throw away my optimism for players just to quench my disappointment’s thirst

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sorry…i don’t see him as worth 27m per year…not enough established and continued success

Go with what we have if these are the prices…then at the deadline snag what you need and trust the pitching evaluation of your scouts during the year

it has worked so far…last two years we snagged exactly the right pieces to make runs and have solid depth at pitching

as for the playoffs…that’s the only rub…but in the end you still need a couple guys you can count on…Quintana was that last year and we went out got him…that’s not the types you shoudl be hoping to get at the deadline (unless you keep them)

We have rolled the dice last 2 years and it worked…i thought with the contracts ending soon we would go big for high price established ace (or young stars)… but no (and maybe we will trade for one…still a chance at that)….or at the least re-sign Quintana (basically to the deal he got) to kick the can a bit down the road a little…

I like Mikolas as our Ace right now…Jack can still be one… MOntgomeery is solid…Waino will still wo us for half the year at least…Matz and Hudson are fine….hope someone else makes strides from the others

I’d feel a lot better with Quintana right now…and even better with an established Ace… but Rodon is not that

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no way i give up anything like that for Reynolds…definitely no respect for our prospects (even though didnt they rate our farm high?)

Carlson + a fringe or lottery prospect straight up for Reynolds feels like a move i could see happening if Pirates can’t get something better (They can and will)

In general i don’t understand tall the Carlson hate

he had a poor late year but he was obviously still bothered by his injury

they traded Bader because they BELIEVED in Carlson..i don’t think you throw away a talent like him, switch hitter, speed, defense, still young, quiet

will he be the next coming of Pujols or whomever that we planned for when he came up? probably not. But neither is Gorman so far (yet people want to toss him to the curb too)….now we are on to the magic and hopes of Winn and Walker…but after 1 bad year or injury are we going to throw them away too?

When did baseball become about immediate success or trash?

there are gems like Pujols and other crazy stars…but why is everything evaluated towards the outlying example? it’s unfair, and really just mean

i am sure i have be guilty of it at timers, but it doesnt mean i think it is right or good behavior

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