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it seems that lately…when we hear anything about injuries it tends to be the tip of the iceberg…as if it got to the point they cant hide it from being reported so they have to say somethingFebruary 21, 2020 at 9:37 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #123163
It might take that kind of money being eaten to get the FO to actually do a deal to help the offense.
I don’t see the preciousness people have with Libertore, it’s not like we drafted him and have watched him come up. On paper he looks good, but so does Thompson and he is closer
We got Libertore for JMart and Randy…good deal it seems…but Libertore even if he was ready right now woudlnt help the offense
It might be a lot of starting talent, but so what? we cant play any of them except maybe ONeill..so no matter their value they are less valuable if we dont have spots for them…Libertore would be the big piece…but Knizner has Herrera on his heels and Yadi still in his way….Woodford has a ton around him and so does Montero
ONeill even in the starting lineup pales in what Arenado provides
With Arenado in the lineup we are LESS dependent on having to replace Bader in CF because of his bat which is what i would prefer to do and i think the organization wants to do
Arenado displaces Carp, but that bolsters the bench and potentially the OF mix if he would get time out there in LF
It makes our infield potentially the best IF defense in the league
Yadi, Goldy, Wong, DeJong, Arenado
and our OF defense less than great but with Bader in CF who can make up for lack of range in the corners, as well as having solid bench and AAA guys to make it pretty great if Carp and Fowler falter
I’d love to not trade Libertore, but i don’t see Colorado jumping for woodford and ONeill…they’d rather wait until teams gets desperate…. even if my trade scenario was a bit desperate in the value going out it is done so with knowledge of the replaceability of it from within…as well as with the knowledge that money coming back as well as trying to get the opt out waived as being key
Cards wouldnt even offer the Woodford ONeill deal because they would complain they cant afford Arenado…money has to be a part of this deal…and i dont see them wanting Carp or Fowler, and the only other way woudl be for them to eat some of the money…that costs talent…and for that kind of money GOOD talent….and at least we have that kind of talent in positions that are more redundant or blocked
Id love to keep Libertore…but i dont see any other prospects we want to trade being as valuable to entice the the ROX to take on money…which seems the main reason the Cards wont jump
soreness is soreness…seems cause for concern to me. Every year he ages the more these little things can be bigger issues.February 20, 2020 at 9:40 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #123043
If we won’t trade for an actual need for the club, then why would they trade for a position they need, even it is better equipped to deal with the loss.
Our offense was bad WITH OZuna and JMart and all the same guys….and we take away that, and then pin all our hopes on old guys getting better, and young guys overperforming
What makes this bad is that it pretty much knocks out the possibility of trading for Arenado using Hudson. And while I was less interested in a trade that used Hudson to start I would have been HAPPY to have lost Hudson and had to replace him with who we are replacing Mikolas with now in exchange for what Arenado would bring to the offense
Arenado deal post Mikolas injury news:
Libertore + ONeill + Knizner + Montero
add in another solid prospect like Woodford to get them to bring the money down a bit (at least in the first 2yrs)
and somehow convince Arenado to give up the opt out
That would seem to deal with any of the issues about acquiring him, and while we would lose some very good pieces. None of them are irreplaceable.
Libertore = Thompson
Oneill = the field of options
Knizner = Herrera
Montero = Gorman/Nunez/etc.
Woodford = the field of options
Oneill would mash in Colorado, Knizner is a solid offensive catcher for that park, Libertore could be the lefty they need for the future, Woodford could be a solid backend starter, and Montero could be a 1b they need.
It’s a lot of CHEAP good value
Yeah it’s messy.
All players on the team when it was cheating.
Those not doing it knew it happened and are complicit by not saying anything or stopping it
It doesn’t matter if they are on other teams or not.
If a player does something wrong and is found out after they are on another team they still punish them wherever they are when it’s found out
Just because it’s hard shouldn’t protect cheaters from being punished.
someone at the PD had a story today or yesterday about the remarks on throwing at Astros players
and i agree…basically this gives them ANOTHER advantage…this one straight from the commissioners office…they can also basically crowd the plate for the whole year with no consequences…they will be given the benefit of the doubt for pitches hitting them on purpose or not for the season
Commissioner is giving them another way to have an advantage…
Let the players manage the punishment if you arent going to do it Manfred…something has to be done to punish the players…everyone knows it including other players
they say the Players Union is the reason they couldnt punish the players but i hear a lot of players complaining and wanting something done….sure seems like it might NOT be a Players union issue….
He may not be a kid…but when the signing of him was in no specific role…depending on him for a role is not the best feeling…similar to when we signed Mikolas if i remember…though even if Mikolas was given a spot to beging with…he was an unknown because of his move from Asia…similar to Kim
Now Mikolas turned out great for a year…maybe Kim does too… I am all for it…but im not going to act like this is no a BIG blow to the rotation…it is…no matter how many guys we can throw at the solution
- This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by thejager.
I am encouraged by Wong’s play last year…but he has a tendency to be hot and cold, the only thing consistently hot is his glove which makes him worth being out there
but if the team is DEPENDING on his offense to carry the team that is a bad plan
Guys like him used to be the extra OOMPH a team had for the offense….Descalso, Skip, Miles, Eckstein, Furcal, maybe even Renteria a little at times and definitely Ozzie….probably others i am not placing right now…
Guys whose main job was to be amazing on defense and then help out a bit on offense
Bader, Wong, Yadi…all are those types and we love them…. but the problem is we have nothign else around them and are dependent on their offense
I would love to not have to worry about Wong’s offensive output, because it was not NEEDED
If a pretty inconsistent hitter in Wong, an upstart less than 1yr success utility man in Edman are your most dependable hitters you have a problem that needs fixing…not hope for fixing itself
Having said that…Wong looked good at times on offense and defense…id love that kind of production and consistency from one player….and if he DOES do that…then i don’t see why we dont extend him…2yrs of consistency with a platinum glove candidate is worth an extension id have to think…. we gave DeJong one for 1yr of play and Goldschmidt one without seeing him play an inning in a Cards uniform
Mikolas pushed back a month
This doesn’t feel like another month off is going to help, he just got off 4 months. Seems like they are just delaying the inevitable.
I like some of our kids too, but wasnt the rotation supposed to be the strength?
now we are depending on kids to fix the offense, and kids to fill the rotation, and also “someone” to step up for the bullpen…throw in “hope” for mid 30yr olds to turn it around and that makes it hard to be optimistic
Saw he was officially shutdown earlier today. I thought it was just evaluation.
If the team was really supremely confident with all the options after Mikolas they wouldn’t have gotten Kim or at least not given such a talk about him being a possible starter.
The only move they really made was for Kim. I think that speaks to the lack of confidence with those other options.
Having said that. I’d have rather gone with and trusted our depth in pitching and instead made a move for the offense as we have a much better track record for producing capable starters for pitching rather than productive impact offensive threats.
Agreed with the comment on 4 months.
Also this was an issue at the end of the year and they didn’t test it over the winter.
This feels like a surgery is a out to happen. They have barely been there and doing any work and he’s already sore.
Looks like CMart will be in almost no matter what. Then we have to go to Kim or Ponce.
Jack HUD waino Cmart Ponce/Kim
Jack hud waino Ponce Kim
Doesn’t look to scary.
We may never see Mikolas 2018 but he was solid and stabilizing.
Jack is a out the only thing stable in the rotation. And that’s a lot to ask of a kid. Hud is sophomore. Waino is a coinflip. Ponce CMart Kim and the rest are question marks.February 11, 2020 at 2:23 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #122087
Urias claimed by the O’sFebruary 6, 2020 at 9:21 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121532
Walker and probably Sanchez would be at total speculation and hope for better results in new system after more recovery…can’t commit too much…though they both do have age on their side a bit
I agree about Gennett and Edman being similar…however with the extra bench spot another multi tool…especially a LHH with power makes some sense.February 5, 2020 at 4:35 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121502
Im more interested in Gennett than Pence as the need for LH hitter with power speaks to me a bit more than a vet righty. Especially when Gennett can play anywhere except CF, SS, C. I’d be much more willing to gamble on Gennett right now.
Having said that…I would like a more proven vet bat on the bench and Wieters wont play or pinch hit unless we carry 3 catchers os he is out.
Sanchez on Carp like deal if possible maybe look at Taijuan Walker the same
try to swing an Aaron Loup or Duensing vet LHRP on a minor league deal
Gennett’s rebound seems more plausible than Pence keeping up what he did last year and at this point as his age is on our side.
Still…Pence would be a fine addition to meFebruary 4, 2020 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121423
Sorry on the handed ness but I read he may be out all 2020 so it’s most definitely moot right
But ugh. 2 errors in one post yuck.
I need spring trainingFebruary 4, 2020 at 9:40 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121378
i dont want Russell even if he was free…no reason to bring that kind of baggage in…and even when he played last year he wasnt good…id imagine he gets a minor league invite somewhere thoughFebruary 4, 2020 at 9:39 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121377
my bad…sorry about that Hunter Pence slip up…i had a bunch of tabs open…guess i missed it… nevertheless, as a veteran OF option who can make contact and provide a little punch he could fitFebruary 3, 2020 at 2:26 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #121331
There’s still a few players out there that might be worth looking at, at least for minor league signings and spring training invites.
-Scooter Gennett = terrible last year because of injury, but is not far removed from being a major offensive threat. Can play 2b, 3b, and even corner outfield spots. Power hitting left hand bat for the bench on a team with concerns over offensive production would make him worth a gamble id’ think.
-BRock Holt = will get a major league deal, and we all know he is a multi tool that we already have in Edman, but he is left handed and hits for a good average
-Puig = we all know him…we all know what comes with him…will get a major league deal
-Hunter Pence= ultimate shot in the dark here as last year’s solid production could have been the last gasp of his career, but he is left handed and a veteran. and hits for average, is that so bad for a bench bat?
-Domingo Santana = HUGE power still, not that old, still K’s a lot, but coudl be offense. Might sneak through for a minor league deal.
-Aaron Sanchez = low risk high reward. still young enough to put it together, left handed. starter or maybe reliever. injuries have slowed him
-Lonnie Chisenhall = veteran left handed outfielder with some pop. im not saying he is more than the youngsters at AAA, but he is a vet and might be worth a look to see if he is healthy
-Aaron Loup = Lefty veteran, missed time with injury. still 32. might be worth a look for spring training and for depth at AAA
It’s not like there is a lot out there. And i want to see the kids play too, but the team still is searching for offense.
To me I bring in Gennett and Sanchez and see what they have. Sanchez’s longer term upside could make for some tradable assets if need be. Gennett if healthy could put up 25HRs with his left handed bat and is versatile enough to move around to fit in. He also still isnt 30. I also might bring is Loup or another lefty vet for depth at AAA at worst.
A minor league deal and invite for
Would be nice IMO.
Maybe they work out as starters still but maybe they could transition to relieving too.
Both have age and upside still.
My disappointment isnt really with Abder, it is that he was put up on a pedestal last offseason, as some kind of face fo the franchise after 2018, with little to really back it up. We all knew his glove was elite, but he was so overhyped by the organization in media last offseason that after his offense last year how can you not feel disappointed.
It is the same feeling i have right now for Carlson, Thomas, Oneill, and even Bader again…they are being billed as the saviors of the offense…the reason why we shouldnt spend money or look elsewhere to fix the offense.
I never needed or really felt it was necessary for Bader to hit well…sames goes for Wong and Yadi to be honest…i loved their gloves and defense…i was fine with thinking 1 of the three of them would have a hit or two a night between the three.
But that was only ok when you had a competent and strong core of 5 other players. A Batman and a Robin in the middle with some super friends filling out the other positions and one that can lead off.
Instead we are depending on Bader, Wong, Yadi’s bat…because we don’t have anyone to depend on.
It isnt wrong to have star players who you pay a lot to be consistently great. Fowler, Carp, Goldy, DeJong, Ozuna all have failed pretty miserably in their auditions for stepping up and being the star…maybe there is a Robin and Super friend in there…but we don’t have a lead off man, and definitely no Batman
So i am not really disappointed in Bader at all…as the thing that i loved about him was his glove and it has been fantastic
i really hate the DH…. but i hate more is the constant debate about when it is coming…which i have participated in…and i am sick of it.
if it is going to happen, present the plan and begin the implementation…get it over with
I love the game without, i think it will be far more harmful to the game than electronics or speed of play… BUT if it is happening then just do it so i can start healing and getting used to it
i understand the sentiment of not wanting to give up our future but really what are we talking?
money wise, it would be tough and expensive for the next 2 years with Fowler and Carp around, but after that…not a big deal…especially given Yadi “probably” not being around too…not to mention almost every other significant contract…plus i guess he could opt out…though with that huge contract and seeing what the others git i dont think he is in line for much of a raise or for more length
prospect wise…come on…we have a pretty healthy farm…Libertore was added…so loss of him or an equal calibre can’t be really seen as much of a loss as it took two guys from the 40man to get him….add in another top tier and a mid tier or MLBer or two and that is probably as much as it would take…as the money is probably the sticking point with most trades right now…
Yes it would take some creativity and potentially bumping up against the luxury tax for a year or two…but so what? You end up with one of the top players in the league, locked into a sizable but good contract that runs through his prime and not into his old age
ONeill + Gorman/Libertore + Montero/Knizner + Woodford/Gomber/Oviedo
That doesn’t kill our depth or kill our future…
ONeill is mitigated by Arenado’s power and the dearth of OFers coming
Gorman…Arenado and even Edman, plus Nunez and Montero
Libertore….Thompson as top end lefty…plsu plenty of solid SP’s plus we draft them well every year
Montero…Arenado…Nunez ..aven Gorman if they wanted something else
Knizner…Herrera long term…Wieters short term
Woodford/Gomber/Oviedo/etc….plenty of solid depth and we draft them well
The Cardinals draft very well for their slots in the draft and continuously churn out young SPs and even get good positional guys from time to time late…also as we are clear of all our sanctions international weill bump back up to fleshing out the farm with sleepers and higher end imports from time to time…
I know we are all excited to have some top 100 prospects, but the true strength of the Cardinals farm i dont think has ever been top prospects, but more depth and solid players with the occasional guy who turns out to be a star….our late 1st rd picks are solid if unspectacular and we know how to find serviceable depth SPs
We dont pick in the top 10 where all the premiere hitting talent is, we don’t pa for the Cuban or Asian imports of substance, so we HAVE to trade for them….or pay them…or both… and that is where we are at
We need a Pujols…that is when we were the most successful…with a great all around player who provided stability to the middle of the lineup…we dont have that in the system and we havent had that since Pujols…we CAN go get one now…
We have all the parts around PUjols when we were successful the RObin to his Batman in Goldy, the slick fielders with solid offense in DeJong and Wong (Renteria and Rolen and Edmonds), the youngsters providing future hope with BAder and Thomas and Carlson (Craig, Rasmus, Skip a bit), even a few vets to fill in (Berkman, Sanders, Encarnacion, Eckstein)… even the ddo everything grinder type in Edman (Miles, Descalso) and even the HOF catacher…who is still the same… Yadi
I dont want Arenado because i want them to do ANYTHING…i want them to do get Arenado because Arenado is the type of player, at the right age, and who DESERVES (in comparison) to be paid top dollar that he gets….he would make the whole team better just by his presence in the middle of the lineup as well as at 3b
If there is any player who is worth the hard work to make the deal or to make the finances work…or even to make the finances hard to swallow…it is Arenado
Nevertheless, i am not dumb…i hear all the negativity and pessimism and have heard all the justifications as to why he is not a good target…but those reasons do not become validated by the FO NOT making the move for Arenado…they may make us sleep better when he sits and plays in Colorado…but when he ends up on the Yankees or Dodgers for a few prospects that we all shake our heads at and go “that’s it” we will kick ourselves for not being willing to make the deal and money work…sometimes you have to go all in even if it is just to stop the guys with the most money at the table from dominating the game through intimidation and deep pockets…when you have a good hand you go for it…Arenado is a good hand and worth pushing all in with….especially when you know you have plenty of money coming in after the hand
Senzel in our OF would be fine with me… I like his high contact and versatility
blah blha blha… intradivision… blah blah blah
4yrs 16m seems like a steal for a guy with offense like his, as well as at his age (it will end when he is 31). not to mention the looming DH.
Reds are definitely going for it, and have enough depth to trade from if they need something else