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I just assumed this would happen this offseason as if makes sense for both sides- but what is keeping us from extending jack flaherty for the 2024 season? Possibly jack flaherty?
Considering our pitching needs seems like a worthy risk on our end- and considering his injury history- worth it on his end.
That being said- with baseball inflation going crazy- if flaherty has a solid season next year could he get 100mm+ In free agency? A few months ago i would have said no- now possibly yes.
Maybe he hates it here that much but a 2/30 just makes sense to me. Weird that its not being talked about at all…
He is not a fan favorite so not much talk about him. I think eventually he and the Cardinals will part ways.
Flaherty doesn’t hate St. Louis. He hates the MLB compensation system. He will enter FA next winter after the Cardinals extend the QO.
He may not hate St. Louis but based on his twitter feed the fans don’t seem to care much for him. His political views are rubbing fans the wrong way.
I don’t think his political views have anything to do with him staying in St. Louis or not. The owner writes the check, not the fans. I think he will take the biggest offer he can get from whichever team offers it, whether it is from a “conservative” area of the country or a “progressive” area of the country. The $$$$$ is what matters.
Agree gscottar. He has no interest in extending with the Cards. I felt his early comments gave insight as to how he would progress. At that time, I felt very strongly that he would follow the arbitration process (versus having his arb rights bought out with a three-year deal) and then file for free agency. He has followed this route thru arbitration. I have no doubt he intends to file for free agency.
He may become a FA but unless he actually pitches this year I can’t imagine anyone giving him 15 million a year! Maybe someone will but I hope it is not us! 15 million a year would be about 5 million per quality start for him the last three years!
Yeah $$$ matters but also not having to put up with the antagonism from the fans might be worth something money can’t buy.
He is going to face antagonism from any fan base if he continues to be outspoken. That comes with the territory. St. Louis is not unique in that aspect.
I think Mo’s plan is to get what he can out of Flaherty this year and then let somebody else gamble on whether his arm will hold together.
The way the free agent market violently over-reacts to One Big Season (see Swanson, Dansby) it makes sense from Flaherty’s point of view to hope for a highly successful 2023 and the subsequent massive payday. With Jack’s injury history, I’d frankly be reluctant to even offer a 2/30 contract at this time.
Let’s just hope he has a very good year, then make the qualifying offer, as GScott said.
The guy to get a contract extension will almost certainly be Miles Mikolas. He’s very good, but not great, he likes it in St. Louis, and he won’t cost top dollar — say 18-20MM per year for three years plus a club option, something in that neighborhood. Maybe Hudson as well, if he shows a bit more control & velocity in April/May. Dakota might take half the money that Mikolas requires, and if he returns to pre-2022 form, that’ll be a bargain.
Jack definitely makes his opinions known. Nothing wrong with that, although you have to expect that anytime you share your views on politics or religion, about half the population will disagree; some will passionately disagree.
I hope he goes out in ’23 and has a fabulous season – all the better for the club.
Hudson, like Flaherty, has a bum shoulder. Neither should be counted on for a healthy future, but we can hope for a good year.
Jack reeled off 5 90+ pitch starts in September. The first three went 5 innings, the last 2 6 innings. Not as crisp as vintage, too many baserunners, but not too bad. For September 2-1, 3.86 ERA, 1.464 WHIP, 8.7 K/9. Do I think he will do 30 starts? No. But he could. 12 is very doable. Chris Carpenter is an example of a guy with shoulder trouble (and a lot of other health trouble) who could put in strong years in between the yearlong and multi year shutdowns. The more likely thing is Jack’s career will end up hampered and shortened due to arm trouble, but he could have a productive 2023.
I will take the over. He knows this is his money year. I am hoping he gets 25-30 solid starts. That should be good enough for teams to bid highly on him, which means the Cardinals can offer him the QO and recoup the draft pick they lost on Contreras.
I thought Jack looked pretty good at the end of the season..plenty of rust, but trending up. Far more reasons for optimism with him the pessimism
sounds like a lot of people drew their own personal lines in the sand for whatever reason be it performance, injury. or personal hate of him for using his platform and speaking out (which obviously ONY rubs you if you are against his opinions)…and they can’t help but stay on their side as they have invested too much in their decision and they can’t back down now…no matter the facts
He is going into offseason healthy, on a good team, with plenty of money to play for
I hope he is awesome and we give him a fat extension, i even hope he is good and we still give him a good extension
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