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Woodford looked very sharp. went 1 2/3, with 1h, 2ks, 0 r, 0 bb.
Now back home to get the Brewers. Hope we can win the series, a sweep would be nice.!
Keep giving Woody chances, his stuff looks very solid.August 10, 2022 at 9:50 am in reply to: 2022 Cardinals MLB Game 109 thread – Tuesday, August 9 at Rockies #194852
Libby is not consistent yet. He will be, but not now.
verhagen will certainly be back. he will get every opportunity to compete, mostly because
of 3 mil! but will fizzle out early or/and get hurt again.
As well as Woody has been pitching, it is certainly possible he is called up.
I got $100 he gets called up in the next 2 days….
Woodford is schedule to pitch Thursday/Friday, this would be a perfect to get him up and Thompson.
Get Hudson down to work on a rhythm, Packy down just ’cause he should be, and simply release McFarland.
But, if I had to guess, Marmol will do nothing. Par for the year.August 10, 2022 at 6:30 am in reply to: 2022 Cardinals MLB Game 109 thread – Tuesday, August 9 at Rockies #194833
Totally agree with you on this ZTR. Marmol has got to realize that during the season is not the time to try and figure things out for a pitcher. They had no problem sending Woody down, for no reason as he was pitching very well. Yet, all these other pitchers who struggle, he thinks they can work it out..Really!
Hudson should go to AAA and find a rhythm, Naughton needs go to AAA and stay, McFarland needs to simply be let go.!
Mikolas, Quintana, Hudson for the series.
Would love to see Pallante swapped out for Hudson and then Woodford up and Hudson to Memphis while he gets back on track.
I think Hudson will come around but would rather see him work things out at AAA – if that is possible…don’t know of they can send him down without his permission at this point or not.
I guess Woodford was traded by now…
Understand Brian, but Woodford is not really a minor league player, he has proven MLB ready over the past two seasons, its just that the Cards have him stuck in AAA. I don’t really care about leverage, they should just do the right thing: If they don’t like him anymore, which seems obvious, then let him go and find a team that does like him. (shouldn’t be too hard.) The 7-year relationship they have had deserves better treatment.
Agree with you bling.
Hope he gets a shot or gets moved.
Lee, the FO is never wrong. just ask them.
There is no way Woodford shouldn’t be up right now. McFarland being up right now does not help the team. Woodford had one bad recent start in AAA, (actually got hosed by the Ump.), but also had two shutout games.
Woodfords line in July.
2-1 2.12ERA 4 games 17.0inngs. 11hits 4runs 6BBs 0HR 15k’s .183Avg. 1.00WHIP
Get this kid back up already, so he can help the team!
Here is a updated stat line for Cardinals pitcher:
ERA INNGS HR WHIP AVG
Helsley 0.64 42 1 0.61 .101
Thompson 2.45 22 2 0.95 .179
Mikolas 2.86 132 14 0.99 .217
Fernandez 2.93 15 3 1.63 .283
Cabrera 2.95 36 6 1.15 .194
Woodford 3.05 21 1 1.26 .250
Pallante 3.18 82 8 1.40 .278
Oviedo 3.20 25 4 1.30 .260
Waino 3.28 123 13 1.21 .248
Gallegos 3.43 39 5 1.12 .226
Hudson 4.10 101 8 1.36 .256
Naughton 4.13 24 2 1.13 .239
Hicks 4.95 40 3 1.35 .200
Libby 5.33 27 5 1.74 .300
Matz 5.70 42 8 1.31 .269
McFarland 6.60 30 4 1.63 .328
VerHagen 6.65 21 5 1.89 .300
Comment on ST louis dispatch, Monday chat.
The host claims that management sent Woodford down to work on slider in order to go deeper into games.? Not sure if this was from the FO or manager.
mmmm… lets look at Woodfords starts from last year.
7/19. 5.2IP, 1R, 80 pitches
7/24. 5.0IP, 3R, 88 pitches
7/31. 3.0IP, 5R, 72 pitches
9/4. 5.1IP, 0R, 74 pitches. this one early relief of KK.
9/9. 4.0IP, 1R, 66 pitches
9/14. 4.0IP, 2R, 61 pitches
9/21. 5.0IP, 0R, 84 pitches
9/26. 5.1IP, 2R, 83 pitches
10/3. 5.0IP, 3R, 76 pitches
So after reading this, Woodford was pulled way before he had to be most every time out, probably 1or2 it was justified. I have followed Woodford through the system, and him throwing 100 pitches was always the norm. As a starting pitcher it is given that 100 pitches is the norm.
So I call BS on the entire treatment of him this season. Hard to say its not Marmol, as last year with the same front office and Schildt, he got the opportunity to succeed, which he did!
This if looks very bad on the Cardinals and Marmol. PLease, please trade this kid so he can go play the game he loves and help another team win.!
Perfect timing to get Woody back up and get him some starts. There is absolutely no reason not to get him up there. I did watch his last game at Memphis, 4 runs and 3 bbs, but I really question the umpire, he was missing calls in and out: vs. LH batters he set up way left of the catcher, towards the hitter, so a ball on the outside corner he couldn’t see… This should be addressed with the umpires Assocation, it really shouldn’t happen at this level. And it happened and least 5-6 times. with the proper calls his outing is much better.
Let’s put this slider bs to rest.
Quick ref guide for the rankings of slider pitches. via Statcast. as of July 7 2022.
Rank Pitcher MPH Vert. Movement Horiz. Movement
1 Pallante 86.6 38.6 5.8
2 McFarland 79.7 46.4 5.0
3 VerHagen 81.2 44.7 16.5
4 Hicks 83.8 41 12.1
5 Woodford 82.1 42.7 13.6
6 Gallegos 85.3 36.9 0.5
7 Naughton 79.7 44.2 3.7
8 Helsley 88.4 32.4 4.5
9 Oviedo 84.8 35.8 5.8
10 Mikolas 87.6 31 4.3
11 Hudson 89.3 27.9 .6
12 Fernandez 88.6 27.4 .4
Not true, actually his last 1 innng outing he hit 95 three times… I know your being sarcastic, but just pointing it out.
Another “just one of those days” for Hudson. This is happening too often with him, better out of the pen. This would be a great time to give Woodford a couple starts… surely won’t be any worse than Hudson or Libby! If he is, then fine the metrics are right; but if he does well, which I think he will, then the metrics dont mean a thing.
To set the record straight, I know and speak with Woodford regularly. I have asked the question about any issues with MO or OM and he has none. There have not been any altercations between them: this is all made up speculation to try and find a reason he is not being utilized. As much as I would like him it St. Louis, I hope he goes to another team so he can play the game he loves.
Here is another little tid bit I saw the other day for all you nay sayers out there.
When requiring a min. of 8 inngs. pitcher this season, Woodford has the following top 10 ranks.
1) ERA #6
2) WHIP #8
3) BB #6
4) Avg.against #9
Although, these are not eye popping, they certainly are deserving of a firm spot in the pen at min.
gscottar. So your saying middle relief is not important..? interesting? I think 99% of the fans and management would disagree with you on that one. Middle relief not only keeps you in games, but it can save a bullpen as well. The fact it, OM has mismanaged his pen pieces. If they have the pitchers in the pen, that should be I think the numbers get much better. Also, saying a swingman/#5 starter in not a determining factor in winning a world series is very ignorant. Making the playoffs is just as important as winning in the playoffs and you don’t get there without a solid pen/rotation. Of course you want to win a world series, thats the ultimate goal, but you have to get there first.
And No, Woodford isn’t the second coming of Nolan Ryan or Degrom, that is just a silly comparison…but he is a solid piece of the puzzle or what you call a “Team”.!
Anybody else hear the rumor that the Mets are interested in Woodford.?
I would hate to see him go, but a trade is probably best for him.
Understood, Thx Brian, but at the current rate with McF, Witt and VerH, we won’t be playing past the regular season!!
Bottomline the FO and OM have given Woodford the shaft this year. The slider movement story is just that, a story. The movement is there, its just where it starts and finishes is off a little, but is a quick fix. Woodford should be the long guy right now. Verhagen just makes too many mistakes, as does Witt and McF. Hicks should be another set up guy and Woodford the long guy.
The best pen right now would be…
Hicks when ready, otherwise Oviedo.
AAA -> Witt,McF,Whitley, Packy.
Does anyone know who is pitching tonight for Memphis?