2023 StL Game #72: Sunday, June 18 at Mets

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    Brian Walton
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    12:40 p.m. LHP Matthew Liberatore (1-2, 5.14) vs. RHP Carlos Carrasco (2-3, 5.71)
    BSM // KMOX
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    #224794
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    If we could win this one and head into Washington with a little momentum that would be a good thing. Then a sweep of the Nationals before we head to London would be a good thing.

    Remember, after the two games against the Cubs we then have six games with Houston and the Yankees. 3-3 in those six games would probably be good.

    Din din for this one will be some Hormel roast beef, mashes potatoes/gravy, a glass of water. and some Prairie Farms Vanilla Bean ice cream. Then a couple of 7×50 Palma Real cigars while me and Whitey Herdog sit on the couch and watch the game.

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    That Prairie Farms is really good ice cream. Problem with it is that the word got out and now it’s priced the same as the fancy brands.

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    Would like to see another strong performance from Liberatore.

    He and Mikolas will likely be the only survivors from the current staff.

    Maybe Montgomery too?

    Matz needs to stay in the bullpen since we probably have to keep him.

    Wainwright will retire.

    Will be interesting to see how the roster is reconstructed through trades and free agency starting in July.

    #224829
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    Happy Father’s Day to all the father’s.

    The chances that OlliMo’s computer will come up with the same optimum lineup two days in a row is slim, so the chances it will do so the day after a win is unlikely. Considerations like recognizing and rewarding success do not compute. Stability, momentum, the value to a hitter of having the same role and likely getting similar looks days in a row, all humbug. So we will have to wait and see what we get. Maybe Contreras will be dropped down. A .200 hitting cleanup hitter is deranged, however many millions of reasons there are. But then, there is only so much room at the bottom, and its crowded down there.

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    Once Noot comes back, I would like to see this for a while. Gorman and Donovan could swap 2B/DH, DeJong could play out his contract on the bench taking an occasional DH turn. Not that rearranging the furniture will cure anything, but it maximizes the potential impact of guys who seem to have a pulse.
    Nootbaar CF
    Walker LF
    Goldschmidt 1B
    Arenado 3B
    Carlson RF
    Donovan 2B
    Gorman/Burlson/bench guys DH
    Knizner/Contreras C
    Edman SS

    #224831
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    I’ll go with that lineup, except perhaps I’d swap Donovan and Walker.

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    CiF, Putting Donovan up there like last season would be reasonable, assuming he continues to snap out of the funk he started the year in. If we do that, then I would put Walker ahead of Carlson.

    At the plate, Walker might be working through some things related to facing far more advanced pitching and defense than he had exposure to in AA. He looks like more of a guy who finds a way to make something happen rather than an all or nothing one dimensional type guy like Arenado who can yank homers into the left field seats when he gets the right pitch. If that development continues, I would want him up in the lineup, before the all or nothing types. Even going with 3 make it happen guys, Noot, Donovan and Walker, and then Goldy and Arenado. We need to move away from the pray for a homer offense.

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    1. Brendan Donovan (L) 1B
    2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) DH
    3. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
    4. Nolan Gorman (L) 2B
    5. Jordan Walker (R) LF
    6. Dylan Carlson (S) RF
    7. Paul DeJong (R) SS
    8. Andrew Knizner (R) C
    9. Tommy Edman (S) CF

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    Is the front office trying to lose? I must ask that seriously.

    Gorman as cleanup is even more deranged than Contreras as cleanup was. Nobody has ever been colder than Gorman has been for a solid month now. His OBP over that time is around .200 and all his other offensive numbers are equally appalling. I can accept the argument that he needs PAs if he is to pull out of it, but what justification can there be for having him in the middle of the order while he is trying to do that? It seems like active measures are being taken to minimize our chance of winning. I hesitate to say that, but another explanation does not come to mind.

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    Gorman and DeJong are trending exactly the way I knew they would six weeks ago.

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    Gorman and DeJong are trending exactly the way I knew they would six weeks ago.

    You really went out on a limb on Paul DeJong. Lol

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    Yeah 858booyah, I sure did..:)

    Winn is hitting .251 down in Memphis with 7 dongs. May as well bring him up and ship DeJong out to Idaho for a sack of potatoes.

    And Gorman will end up around .230 for the season.

    Sometimes I wonder who is calling the shots with regards to St. Louis hitting. Slug, slug, slug. Forget about contact. We all just want to SLUG!

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    Is the front office trying to lose? I must ask that seriously.

    So who do you suggest? In a perfect world Lars is in the lineup but he isn’t and they have to move things around. Me personally I’d like Goldie and Arenado 3-4 but the geek squad doesn’t see it that way and if they did

    I mean you couldn’t possibly think they’d pump up Walker’s ego and hit him clean up do you?

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    Winn is hitting .251 down in Memphis with 7 dongs. May as well bring him up and ship DeJong out to Idaho for a sack of potatoes.

    My guess is it’ll be more of a reality by next month that your expensive sack of potatoes is cut loose. They’ll wait it out and see how the injury bug hits MLB first.

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    Top of 1. Carlos Carrasco on the hill for the Metropolitans this afternoon.

    Donovan – Drills a liner towards the left field line ……Canahu is on his high horse but he’s not going to corral that one as it bounces up against the wall and Brendan will trot into 2nd base with a leadoff double.

    Goldy – Strikes out swinging on a high slider.

    Arenado – Whacks one high to left field…and nobody’s going to slap the leather on that baby as it’s long long gone up into the second tier pavilion……2-0 Good guys.

    Gorman – Flies out routinely to left.

    Walker – Walks on a 3-2 changeup just off the outside corner.

    Carlson – On 3-2 Dylan strikes out looking on a low pitch that could have been called either way .

    Cards 2
    Mets 0

    #224850
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    Lindor a 2 out solo tater draws New York within a lone tally here in the bottom of the 1st.

    #224852
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    Is a 2 run homer to give us the lead considered clutch?

    Walker taking a walk. Progress.

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    Winn is hitting .251 down in Memphis with 7 dongs.

    Winn has a .694 OPS.

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    Whoa. Pugs is here. Where did you come from, sir?

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    Top of 2.

    DeJong – Lofts a pop-up half way to Jupiter……the planet not the one in Florida…. and when it finally lands, McNeil at 2nd base will haul it in.

    Knizner – Grounds it out to Escobar at 3rd and his throw to 1st sends Alonzo reaching for the heavens and Knizner reaches safely compliments of the E-5.

    Edman – Walks.

    Donovan – Grounds it up the middle and out into center for a base hit and in races Knizner with the third Redbird run with Edman taking up new residence at 3rd

    Goldy – Fore!!!….Goldy golfs one towards the left center field gap and it gets down and she’s rolling wallward ….in comes Edman with Donovan sprinting around 3rd safely and it’s now 5-1 Birds in the Goldy 2 run 2-bagger.

    Arenado – Couldn’t check his swing and he’s out on strikes …….very debatable whether Nolan actually did commit on that pitch.

    Gorman – Whiffs

    Cards 5
    Mets 1

    #224856
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    Hey LACardFan. It’s a wild but true story…….will have to share some of it with you guys later.

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    Wow Edman catches that ball 99% of the time ….. it’s a bad time for that miniscule 1% to rear it’s ugly head. They’ll credit Escobar with an rbi triple, but in a just world, that’s a 3 base error. 5-2 Birds with the Mets looking for more

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    A Nimmo 2 run double(Walker dove for it) again positions NY within a run of St. Louis…….only saving grace is that Nimmo is out at 3rd on a quest to turn a double into a triple. 5-4 Cards heading to the 3rd.

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    Cohen and Darling consistently calling our catcher “Kinzer” while Met killer PDJ crushes one to the cheap seats.

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