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IMHO, trying to explain this trade with logic is never really going to work. What we’re witnessing is a meltdown by multi-billionaire.
Cabrera would like to start, also.
I could see a dynamic duo of Wainwright and Reyes pitching in tandem. Wainwright pitches the first 4 or 5
innings, and Reyes pitches the last 4 or 5 innings.I was looking forward to watching Gomber continue to develop. I think he will be missed. This trade should provide more innings for Ponce, maybe Cabrera. Gant will always get his innings, IMO.
I’m glad we’ve got plenty of good relievers. With this current mindset of starters only going 5 or 6 innings, they will be needed.
Without Hudson and Gomber, our pitching depth is not as imposing.
No doubt here are a lot of people feeling giddy today besides the Esteemd Rat.
The explanation is simple. It’s human emotions. The Monfort brothers went past their boiling point and blew a gasket. No other explanation can explain this. I don’t even want to think about what might have gone on among the people involved on the Rockies’ side.
Didn’t Matt Thompson have late information that would move Zack Thompson ahead of Liberatore in the rankings? Yet Zack Thompson didn’t make the 1rst tier.
The emoji I used was meant to show that it was a joke. I hardly ever use emoji. Maybe I picked the wrong one. The one I picked shows a face laughing itself to tears (at the idea of forcing Carp’s bat into the lineup).
Nothing like livin’ on the edge for Mozeliak. If Yadi would have signed elsewhere by now, Mo would have been screwed. With Arenado coming to St. Louis, and Carlson emerging, this is a championship team. With due respect to Knizner, there’s no way he should be the starting catcher. Yadier Molina should be the starting catcher.
They have to find a way to get Carpenter’s bat into the lineup. 😂
The hands-on, humanitarian stuff he does should count for the HOF. In the overall scheme of things, that matters more than the numbers.
I like Edman and I’m really excited to see what he can do as an everyday second baseman. But Edmundo Sosa has bulked up. He was definitely getting noticed last spring. I hope Shildt gives him a good look this spring.
Here’s the baseball HOF character clause:
According to the Hall of Fame’s election rules, “voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.”
If the voters will value the positive side of character that the player has brought to the game, as well as his stellar accomplishments on the field, Adam Wainwright should one-day be a first ballot inductee into the baseball HOF.
I think the trade will not happen unless St. Louis takes on the full amount of Arenado’s remaining contract. I don’t think the Cardinals will take on an additional $35M for 2021, though. The Cardinals want to be payroll neutral for 2021. The Rockie will have to take on contracts of equal value, or cash equivalent.
BTW, nothing to go on but past experience, but IMO, this trade is already done. What’s happening here is the same drill the Cardinals always do when they’re involved in a big trade. They do the trade behind the scenes. Then, when everything is agreed upon, a day or two before the press conference, they start leaking stuff about the impending trade. This creates time for the sportwriters to get their scoop and do their investigating, and it gives the talk show guys something to babble about, and it gets the fans all excited.
I have said all along that if a trade for Arenado was going to happen, it was going to have to be payroll net neutral for 2021. That means that two of Carpenter, Fowler, CMart would have to part of the trade. We’ll see…….
He played second in high school before he got moved to third.
The one thing that I wish he could do more than anything is to impart some of his character, some of his sense of dignity, of respect for the fans, and the game itself, into some of the young pitchers that we have.
GameCard – I know it’s hard to do, and that you’re passionate about you point of view, but you’ve got to keep you politics out of this forum. Think about it. If you and others start raising the ire of one another, this forum becomes a free-for-all, and is thereby unsafe to come to, and is effectively destroyed.
If Flaherty’s political views bother some fans enough that they stop following the Cardinals or buying tickets, they will have to trade him. In short, they can’t pay him if the fans aren’t, in one way or another, giving the organization their money. All of the other arbitration eligible players settled with the Cardinals for an amount that appears to be favorable to the Cardinals, presumably because of the hard times of the past year. But not this hateful punk.
kscardfan – You must be asleep at the wheel. Wins don’t mean anything anymore because ‘there are so many uncontrollable factors that come into play regarding wins.’ Try arguing your point. You’ll find out what I mean right away. Personally, I like pitchers that want to pitch 9 innings and notch a win for themselves and their team, rather than a pitcher that thinks he belongs in the rotation because he can pitch 5 innings, or feels like he’s carrying the bullpen if he can pitch 6 innings, or thinks he’s a HOF candidate if he can pitch 7 innings. But that idea is nothing but a relic from the past.
So far in his career, Adam Ottovino has managed to bank $61,731.69 for every inning pitched.
I think the intangibles that Yadi brings are being undervalued here. I think that this is a .500 team without Yadi. But I do not think the organization should spend money that it doesn’t have.(Comment: I know that ‘money that is doesn’t have’ is a controversial statement. But I’m taking the position that if a significant part of Yadi’s salary is going to be added to the organization’s projected loss for 2021, they should not spend the money.) Finally, I would love to see Yadi accept the team’s offer and play for the organization and the St. Louis fans and for the joy of playing baseball, rather than the money, money, money. He’s already got plenty of money. How refreshing and exciting that would be!
Based on a 60 game season, Miller received $327,307.69 for each inning pitched.
Agree. He was not very good in 2019. He was better in 2020 which was his vesting year. It will be interesting to see if he returns to his 2019 form, or if 2020 is the real Andrew Miller.
Carpenter is entering his walk year, and don’t you know, he’s trying different approaches to bring his hitting up to the value of his paycheck, after giving us two pitiful seasons. Batting gloves, APEC Sports Complex in Fort Worth, increased bat speed. Clearly, he wants to get his hands on that $18.5M that the Cardinals have to give him if he vests. Matt, don’t forget about the salsa. If Shildt allows this guy to vest after what he’s been like for the past two years, I want Shildt fired. It was bad enough that he helped Andrew Miller vest for another $12M in 2021.
https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/matt-carpenter-might-wear-batting-gloves-in-2021
You didn’t hear much about Elehuris Montero during the 2019 season because of his injury, and then there wasn’t much said about him, or any other prospects, during the 2020 season. But at the beginning of this thread (i.e January, 2019) there are some enticing posts about Elehuris Montero. Here they are:
Here is BA’s new Cardinals top 10. (for 2019)
1. Reyes
2. O’Neill
3. Hudson
4. Gorman
5. Montero
6. Cabrera (some of you folks are sleeping on him!)
7. Thomas
8. Knizner
9. Nunez
10. CarlsonBest Infield Arm: Elehuris Monttero (per Baseball America)
Low-A Peoria, which made a surprise run to the Midwest League Championship, featured two star-studded hitting prospects.
The first is Midwest League Most Valuable Player Elehuris Montero (No. 9 prospect), who became the first Chief to be named MWL MVP since Albert Pujols in 2000. The Dominican stood out with his “special” hand-eye coordination, showing plus raw power with the potential to develop into an all-fields power hitter down the road. He has a chance to be a plus hitter with plus power, but he may have to slide over to first base as he is a fringe defender at the hot corner.
Just below Memphis, the Cardinals Springfield and Palm Beach affiliates had no representation at Double-A and High-A, respectively.
Although Low-A Peoria, which made a surprise run to the Midwest League Championship, featured one name who carried the club until his promotion to Palm Beach on August 7.
Elehuris Montero was selected by BA as the top third baseman at Low-A this season. The now 20-year old won the MWL batting title (.322 average) and finished with highest OPS (.910) among qualified hitters. He also collected 46 extra-base hits and drove in 69 runs, becoming the first Chief to be named the MWL MVP since Albert Pujols in 2000.
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19-year-old #STLCards prospect Elehuris Montero, the 2018 Midwest League MVP, ranked 3rd among all top prospects last year with 29.8% of his line drives and fly balls going for hits. @GoldenSombrero looks at the Top 10: https://atmlb.com/2QjWe2z\‘Salary dump’ is relative, IMO. If you’re projecting a loss, and the loss is coming out of the
organization’s general fund, that’s tolerable as long as you can project that it’s a short term loss. But if you already know you’re going to lose money in 2021, for example, and if you used up all of your general fund in 2020, for example, then that $4.4M salary for Musgrove is going to come out of your personal bank account, so you dump that salary to keep it from happening. Strikes are losers for everybody concerned, and a strike for 2022 seems inevitable at this time, which IMO, is further reason to conserve your resources by lowering payroll if you’re an owner. That appears to be what the Cardinals are doing with Molina and Wainwright, and what they already did with Wong and Brebbia.I think this is a salary dump. Brian commented that he’s heard that one of the things the owners will put on the table when discussing the next CBA is arbitration. So arbitration and a salary cap will both be on the table, then add to that, comments like the one our own Andrew Miller made about playing 162 games in 2021 because that’s what the contract says, and we can brace for a strike in 2022, IMO.
I hope we don’t have to listen to clubs like the Padres and the Phillies and the Mets bellyache about how much money they are losing during the strike, if in fact, there is one. They’ve had plenty of time to prepare themselves.
I don’t think they’re looking at fair market value. I think they’re looking at how much money they’re going to lose, and how to cut the loss any way they can. Why else would they let Brebbia walk away when that only saved about $250K? Probably because it’s the Owners’ own money, not the franchise’s money, and the Owners don’t want to personally feed the franchise a dollar more than they have to in order to keep it alive. Of course, that doesn’t apply to the big market ballclubs which have money to burn, literally. Regarding the Phillies, they might not be a big market ballclub, but they’ve been bragging about how much money they have to spend/throw away since before they signed Harper. Also, it looks like 2022 is going to be a strike season, and that is another loser for some clubs. No one knows what the state of MLB will be like after the ‘new normal’ following the next CBA. Then, there’s the condition of the US economy…..
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