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Wow! Impressive analysis. Whoever in the FO is supposed to determine who to protect for the Rule 5 Draft might as well spend their time getting ready for the holidays. Their work is done . I hope they take your hint about next year’s Rule 5 Draft seriously, and start thinking about it now.
I never enjoy watching Leone pitch. I don’t like his athleticism or his pitching motion. But he did get outs most of the time, and he probably has value as a trade piece whereas Urias might not have value as a trade piece.November 15, 2019 at 8:41 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #114514
Cleveland is shopping Lindor because they know they aren’t going to be able to sign him when he becomes a free agent in two years. Cleveland is looking for help at catcher, second base, and outfield, and they would like to reduce payroll. So, we offer Matt Carpenter plus $2M, plus Knizner, Edman, and O’Neill to the Indians for Lindor. Lindor is projected to get a raise to $16.7M in arbitration. Carpenter is contracted to play for $18.5M next year. The $2M we send to Cleveland as part of the deal offsets the raise over the cost of Lindor. So for 2020, there would be no additional cost to the Indians for having Carpenter instead of Lindor. Then, in 2021, since Lindor would most likely get bumped up to around $22M-$24M in arbitration, the Indians would save $4M-$6M because Carpenter would be costing them $18.5M. The other players in the deal would fill needs and could even possibly be starting for Cleveland as early as 2020.
We would have to extend Molina, and we would have to sign a catcher like Wieters for another two years to make this work.
There is downside. For one thing, if this trade were made, just as sure as the sun shines, Carpenter would catch fire in Cleveland and hit 40 HRs, and the other thing is that Lindor will surely be looking for Manny Machado money when he becomes a free agent, and there is zero chance that the Cardinals would be stupid enough to take on such a ridiculous contract. Lindor would definitely be a two year rental for the Cardinals.
So what happens if this trade isn’t made, which is highly probable? Carpenter will start at third base and play there if he produces. If not, Edman will start taking over at third base like he did last year. And Montero could be brought up to play third some time during 2020, with Edman returning to super-sub.
Acquiring Lindor would create a lot of buzz, a lot of excitement. But would we win more games with Lindor at short and Dejong at 3B, than we wold with Carpenter-Edman-Montero at 3B and Dejong at short?
Hot stove talk ……..
There’s talk about the players wanting changes to service time. Has anybody heard what the owners want in exchange for agreeing to changes to service time?
Agree, especially since a 5 inning start is now considered acceptable.
As I understand it, what Correa did was steal the Astros intellectual property. He did not steal their passwords. In fact, there could be an argument somewhere that the passwords actually belonged to the Cardinals. As far as Correa’s culpability, I think that’s undeniable. On the other hand, one might argue that ‘turnabout is fair play’, while another might say ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’. The main point that I wanted to say was that, IMHO, the Astros screwed up by not changing their passwords, and that they need to have some accountability for that. Also, I think it’s absurd that Correa should be banned from MLB for life. I hope he writes a book and sells the movie rights to it. And if he does, I hope the book/movie reflects the accountability on both sides of this issue. We may never know how much others in the Cardinals organization knew about what was going on. But we do know that Correa stood up an took his medicine, and he did not try to drag others down with him whether those others did something wrong, or not.
In some countries if you do something really stupid, like being careless with your computer password, they think you deserve whatever happens to you. I’m not defending what Correa did. I’m saying Houston has some responsibility for not taking care of their own business when they should have. Anyone who has a computer knows you have to do things to protect your privacy. Houston failed to do that and then got rewarded for it by being given two of the Cardinals’ draft picks. Correa got started by wanting to right a wrong, then didn’t stop when he should have, and ultimately received a tough punishment for his mistake.
We need to make some space for new prospects to move up. Cleveland might like acquiring Knizner, and Edman, and maybe an outfielder and a pitcher, although I don’t think the Cardinals would give up Carlson, or Gorman for two years of anybody, including Lindor. IMO, the possibility of acquiring a player like Lindor hinges on moving Carpenter and his contract. If that doesn’t happen, not much else can happen.
(I know this belongs on the other thread, but I wanted to reply to forsch31’s post.)
Cleveland is one team that is looking for a catcher.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he won this award more than once. Shildt made winning a team effort for his entire coaching staff rather than trying to do it all himself.
If Waino can stay healthy for awhile, it at least buys some time to get that 5th spot in the rotation worked out, hopefully.
mspaid – I’m just going to say, flatly, that you are wrong. It is not about winning the world Series, and that alone. It truly is about ‘how you play the game’. That maxim extends from the very top of the organization down through all of the employees at all of the levels of the organization. The fans want intensity and competitiveness. They want every ‘player’ to bring out the best in every other player and in their competition. That’s what really, really matters. Now if you’re talking something like ‘immortality’, well that’s a bit different. Teams that finish ‘second’ seldom get to be in on that. Certain players may become ‘immortal’ in the minds of some fans, but second place teams usually aren’t remembered, although some teams like the 2004 Cardinals with their 105 wins are kind of hard to forget.November 8, 2019 at 9:09 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113970
I don’t care how much money DeWitt has to spend and I don’t understand why anybody else cares about it. I just want a winning team that has a chance to win the World Series. What I hate is a player who signs a long term contract and then either lays down on the job for lack of motivation, or who gets past his prime or is constantly injured with something like plantar faciitis (i.e.AP), but is still collecting millions upon millions of the fans’ money. So that’s why I don’t want Rondon or any of the pitchers for 7 to 10 years. More often than not, those kinds of contracts don’t work out. Also, I would like to see ticket prices come down. They’re too high. The only way that is going to happen is by cutting costs.
I just had an idea about what to do about clandestine profits and private income statements. The fans could start a movement to force DeWitt to sell the ball club to St.Louis City Hall. Then anything to do with the club’s earnings would be in the public domain. The politicians there would have to produce a wining team or they would lose elections. There could even be tax increases to cover payroll so that the city could sign any free agent at any cost. How does that sound? Pretty good idea?November 7, 2019 at 7:10 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113950
Not only is DeWitt not cheap, but he took an organization that was in the pits and made it into one of the most of respected organizations in all of MLB. And along the way he built a new stadium for his team and for the St. Louis community, and he paid for it without taxpayer assistance. St. Louis has taken hit after hit of negative publicity for decades. DeWitt’s involvement with the St. Louis Cardinals has mitigated some of that.
That’s my comment. I’m not going to argue about it either.November 7, 2019 at 9:14 am in reply to: The Cardinal Nation’s Team Recaps and Top Players of 2019 #113906
Nice to see Edmunda Sosa doing well. It would sure be nice if he could have a good spring and make the team. I don’t remember when we had a really dependable shortstop to back up our starting shortstop. Also, according to a comment made by MO, the front office thinks Dejong’s hitting declined through the season because he was getting worn out. Sosa could be the answer for that since Shildt could rest Dejong without hurting the middle infield defense.
Elehuris Montero will fun to watch next spring if he keeps hitting.
Thanks for the report.November 6, 2019 at 2:37 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113848
It’s possible that MO sees one of Jag’s trade ideas, puts it in an email, and hits ‘send’, just to see if he gets a nibble that might start a conversation. You never know.
I’d go with Simmons and Parker. They were both tough competitor. Both had stats that were deserving.
They Cardinals won the Division. What a bunch of sourpusses on this forum today.
I think Shildt should win Manager of the Year. To take a weak offensive team like this and, not only win the Division, but go to the final round of the playoffs is an incredible accomplishment. I can’t imagine another manager doing that with this team. He definitely deserved an extension.
I think MO deserves the credit for hiring Shildt. That was definitely a gutsy move. Will he be a better baseball manager than Carlos Beltran in the long run? Time will tell. I like Beltran a lot. I think he’s gets selected for the HOF as a player. But hiring Carlos Beltran was not a gutsy move. It was a popular move. Only five other GM’s pulled together teams that could win their Division. MO is in a tough place every offseason. If he does nothing, he gets hammered with criticism. If he signs Fowler, and Fowler doesn’t produce like Mike Trout, or at least as well as he did in Chicago, he gets hammered. IMO, the biggest problem for any GM is the guaranteed contract because the GM can never know what he’s really getting when he signs a player. If Fowler, or Carpenter, aren’t on guaranteed contracts, I would bet a bankroll to a button that Fowler doesn’t feel depressed for an entire season, and that Carpenter mysteriously finds his mojo sometime during the season. Of course, we’ll never know for sure. I think that during the next contract negotiations, the owners should hold out for as long as it takes to put an end to the guaranteed contract. I think that is the single most damaging thing that has happened to the game. I think the lack of intensity in the game is what turns people off, including the Millenials, and that the lack of intensity is caused, perhaps entirely, by the guaranteed contract.
I’m glad Girsch will be around longer. I’d like him to stay here long term rather than move onto another club.November 5, 2019 at 12:08 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113732
Same here. I want nothing to do with Price. The Cardinals made a big play (reportedly around $185M) for Price when he was a free agent, and he declined. He had grown up a Cardinals fan, and wanted to play here. But Boston offered him more money than the Cardinals were willing to offer, and in the end, the money was the only thing that was important to him.
Before anything significant can happen, they are going to have to move some money. IMO, the best chance for that is if they can trade Carpenter. I could see the Rangers taking a chance on him. After all, he has only had one really bad season. If they could move Carpenter, they could offer Wong, Knizner, and Woodford to Cleveland for Lindor. Then, Edman would move to 2B, and either Dejong or Lindor would be at 3B.
He was striking out at a rate of 35% in 2019, and a rate of 22% in 2018 and 24% in 2017. You have to think the Nationals were telling him to go for the HR in every PA. I think he’ll have a job in 2020.
That strike called on a ball up and way in to Correa in the eighth inning of game seven might have changed the momentum in the game. No umpire could be that far off on a call. I think he did it deliberately.
I think this idea could have been negotiated in a way that is best for players and for teams. Some players,
and some teams, have been getting hurt by not coming to terms until sometime in March or later. Setting up some kind of deadline, would prevent agents from holding up a signing while they wait for comps on other players as they are signed. Players would have to decide how much they should hold out for, and teams would have less time to to make up their minds about if they want to go with a relatively sure thing in a veteran player, or take a chance on an unproven player. It would bring more order into the whole free agent process. There could be a signing deadline of, say, December 21. And then open things up for unsigned players again on March 15. Free agency has changed. I think the MLBPA has made a mistake by not opening up to change.November 1, 2019 at 10:42 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113427
If they can find a way to unload some, or all, of the money owed Carpenter and Fowler, they could probably put together a competitive offer for Betts, or Lindor. But, I agree that there’s a slim chance of it happening.November 1, 2019 at 8:47 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113415
Based on Machado’s contract, $300M is the new floor for an elite third baseman. Any offer less than that would likely be considered a low ball, if not insulting to Boras and his client. Still, $300M seems like a lot of money to some people. Scherzer got $210M for 7 years back in back in 2015, and Greinke will be getting paid $35M for each of the next two seasons, guaranteed. So to be fair, Cole and Boras should get at least $280M over 8 years ($35M/yr). Preferably, one of the owners will step forward and offer Cole a contract that breaks through the $300M barrier for a pitcher. Sure there’s risk, but the risk would be well worth the gamble if it panned out.October 31, 2019 at 8:40 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113390
Boras’ strategy is easy to figure out. Make an outrageous demand for a player. Hold out, hold out, hold out all the while leaking information about teams that are desperately trying to sign the kid. Then, hold out some more until one of the owners gives in like the Phillies and the Padres did last year. I wonder which of his clients will miss spring training this year.October 31, 2019 at 2:54 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113365
Good enough. Thanks.