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June 14, 2024 at 3:56 pm #256304
Carlson is 7 for 19 (.368 BA) in his last six games.
June 14, 2024 at 4:00 pm #256305
jj-cf-stlParticipantGame Ball to Kyle Gibson.
Hat-tip and congrats to Pedro Pages on his first MLB HR.June 14, 2024 at 4:01 pm #256306OK you are @ 500.Put a game a week on Milwaukee and MO will be forced to do more than dumpster dive July 30.
June 14, 2024 at 4:17 pm #256308As Bikemike pointed out, the Cardinals won’t get any bargains tomorrow facing Shogun Chimichanga…I’ve never seen him, so I’m looking forward to seeing him work. I’m also looking forward to seeing both Goldschmidt and Arenado taking him out on Waveland Ave…
June 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm #256310I’m one of Gorman’s most loyal proponents, but when he gets lost, he ends up a thousand miles from nowhere. He’s 1 for his last 20 with 9 K’s. His 1 hit was a tater, but that won’t sustain a K rate near to 50 pct.
June 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm #256311Any win over the Cubs is a red letter day and cause for celebration. The Diet Mountain Dew and gourmet pizza will taste even better tonight!
June 14, 2024 at 4:44 pm #256312I would keep Carlson in there for now. Looks like he is finally progressing to where he was before the collision.
Pages looks good on “D”. Just sneaked a ball into the basket as well. Funny as it looked like Wisdom hit the ball much harder, yet his was knocked down by the wind and Pedro’s just got to the bucket.
June 14, 2024 at 4:49 pm #256313Carlson looks good hitting RH only. He should abandon being a switch hitter.
June 14, 2024 at 4:51 pm #256314Yeah, mudville pointed out Carlson’s recent success. I noticed an improvement, but wasn’t aware of the 7 for 19 stretch. Have to leave him in there and I still think he’s the best mitt the Cardinals have in the OF.
June 14, 2024 at 5:06 pm #256315Does anyone else think Gorman is showing signs of following a DeJong career trajectory?
June 14, 2024 at 5:16 pm #256316This is Gorman’s 3rd year in the big leagues and still all he does is strikeout. And yes, I know, he’s got power, he hits it a long way, he hits the occasional homerun. But the huge strikeout totals just sort of negate any of his positives.
And yes, at this point, Goldschmidt is just about in the same boat.
June 14, 2024 at 5:17 pm #256317No, not really.
June 14, 2024 at 5:22 pm #256318I hope not, but it’s possible, Bling. I think Gorman’s bat generates a lot more power than did DeJong’s, but it won’t matter if he doesn’t begin to make some more contact. I’m not sure 30 HR’s will sustain the sort of K rate he sometimes displays.
Edit…I just looked and DeJong has 13 HR’s this season.
June 14, 2024 at 5:50 pm #256320Among other things, I am concerned that Gorman’s BABiP has dropped each year, similar to what happened to DeJong his first three seasons. DeJong hit 30 dongs his 3rd year, but the decreasing quality and quantity of contact caught up with him.
June 14, 2024 at 6:27 pm #256321Hasn’t Gibson been about as good as Gray this season for the Cardinals?
June 14, 2024 at 6:41 pm #256323I don’t think of them as at all the same but I can see why they could be compared. They both transitioned to a new middle infield position after coming up as a third baseman. They both hit homers and strike out a lot. They’ve also both tended to be quite streaky. Gorman is just so much more powerful though. He could have a season with 40 home runs. Maybe not as a Cardinal playing at Busch, but we’ll see.
June 14, 2024 at 7:12 pm #256326I agree there are significant differences between tham as players, the greater power chief among them. I am beginning to fear their careers will follow the same path due to a multi-year pattern of decreasing quantity and quality of contact.
June 14, 2024 at 7:14 pm #256327Good eye, Shady. I was thinking along those same lines when Kyle was still in there after the 5th inning today. He’s been every bit as effective as Gray. He’s taken 2 more turns than Sonny and has a total workload of 83.2 IP’ed which is 15 more innings of work than Gray. I love to poke fun at Johnny, but all 3 off-season SP’er aquisitions have thus far been better than I would have ever expected. Even the Bavarian Bismark annihilator has been effective…Haha!
June 14, 2024 at 8:56 pm #2563321td, you are smart and funny. Keep up the good work here.
June 14, 2024 at 9:15 pm #256335I liked Fernandez getting the 8th in a 1 run game. He has been pitching very well and I like the gradual increase in leverage. Giving him the opportunity late in a close game is going to increase his confidence and I see him being a late inning RP for this team in the future.
June 14, 2024 at 9:57 pm #256336Yeah, he did good despite getting shafted by the HPU on a 1-2 ball/strike call to Amaya, but he still got the GB and the FC out at HP which obviously turned out to be better than the K.
June 15, 2024 at 3:17 am #256343Does anyone else think Gorman is showing signs of following a DeJong career trajectory?
No because he can actually maintain an .800 ops due to him being extremely streaky and his 35 home run potential and walks a little bit more.
Bad comparison!
June 15, 2024 at 6:34 am #256344I think people forget the hitter DeJong was his first few seasons. When he hit 30 his 3rd year he was talked about as having 35 HR power. His OPS topped out at .857 in 2017. Gorman posted .805 last year.
One difference was that DeJong’s HR production did not stand out because he was surrounded by better hitters that matched is home run production. Goldschmidt, Ozuna, Carpenter, Molina were all hitting homers at about the 30 clip.
June 15, 2024 at 12:13 pm #256374Yeah, mudville pointed out Carlson’s recent success. I noticed an improvement, but wasn’t aware of the 7 for 19 stretch. Have to leave him in there and I still think he’s the best mitt the Cardinals have in the OF.
Better glove than Siani?
June 15, 2024 at 12:15 pm #256375Does anyone else think Gorman is showing signs of following a DeJong career trajectory?
I would say his trajectory is more like Kyle Schwarber.
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