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The Cardinals have identified late 2027 or early 2028 as their next competitive window.
They will not be competing in late 2027 if they trade any of Nootbaar, Burleson, or Herrera without backfilling them in free agency.
I looked at the box score of the Cubs-Cardinals game the other day. Every single Cubs starter had an OPS over .700. Five of the nine Cardinals starters had an OPS below .700.
The possibilities are 1) He accepts the QO 2) he declines the offer and signs for $50 mill plus, (the best outcome for us), or 3) he declines the offer and signs for under $50 mill.
There is a fourth possibility, and one that is more likely. The MLB has already proposed changing the qualifying offer system, which means the Cardinals might get nothing if May walks.
I would rather they spend $20 million to sign Arazorena to play LF if they trade Nootbaar.
I’m not opposed to keeping May for a qualifying offer…I would like to move on from Liberatore, at this point. He doesn’t appear to be a quality starting pitcher.
Pass. He’s third on the team in innings pitched and WHIP, 4th in ERA.
They have Mathews to replace May in the rotation and Dobbins to replace Liberatore.
There are two players that will absolutely be traded no matter what (May & Romero), as long as they can find someone to trade for May and his 4.59 ERA.
I imagine the Cardinals are shopping Pages, who will undoubtedly be a fallback option for teams who fail to land a catcher with a bat.
Herrera could be traded for a major prospect haul because the number of catchers with a good bat that are going to be available seems to be dwindling as the Twins are now 1/2 game back of the wild card. Here’s the danger of trading Herrera: We saw all summer long how well McGreevy pitched with Herrera behind the plate, we have seen how bad he has pitched the last two games with Crooks behind the plate. Catching isn’t just about catching base stealers. A large part of it is calling the game.
Nootbaar – yes the Yankees may be interested with Bellinger out and Houston is shopping for a left-handed outfielder. If you trade Nootbaar, you have to be willing to pony up for a free agent outfielder in the offseason, and there are only two who are upgrades over Nootbaar – Arazorena and Taylor Ward. Arazorena will probably cost $20+ million per year to sign, and Ward will likely be in the $15-20 million range.
I don’t think the DeWitts will pony up for FA replacements for either Herrera or Nootbaar. That means if they are traded, the rebuild timeframe will be extended, and all we will have to cheer for is how much money the DeWitts are saving.
It’s almost as if they were instructed to take a collective dive in order to avoid taking on any criticism for a sell off while still being competitive.
I don’t think the players are tanking, I do think Marmol has been making more questionable lineup and bullpen decisions than usual.
Whatever happened to Herrera catching McGreevy?
Crooks has caught McGreevey’s last two games, and he gave up 4 runs and 7 runs, respectively.
Maybe catcher ERA is a thing…
I just dont understand why Svanson is in StL.
I think he is out of options, and he performed well last year. So, they are trying to recapture the magic without losing him to a wire claim from a team that can “fix” him.
I would have released Stanek in June.
You said something like there was no reason to believe the Cardinals would ever develop a starter internally with their current group of prospects given that their track record of doing so was so bad in the past
Well, the Cardinals did have an abysmal track record of developing starters because Mozeliak gutted the player development team.
Pretty sure that Bling said they could not develop ACES.
Yeah I think May, Romero, and Noot have to be almost locks to be traded before August 3.
I agree on May and Romero.
Here is where I think people are missing the boat on Nootbaar. Remember in 2023 when the Cardinals refused to pay $5-10 million for a free agent outfielder and instead rushed a guy from AA to the big leagues to save money?
How did that work out form them in 2023?
Nootbaar’s cost next year will be about what a comparable free agent will cost.
Putting Svanson in the game was giving the game away almost intentionally.
Marmol intentionally gives away about a game a week with his lineup half-full of bench players on “get away” games.
His bullpen usage the past two weeks does seem to indicate he is taking orders to throw away winnable games.
First priority is moving Dustin May. That allows the Cardinals to save $3-4 million.
Noot would have to be a trade comparable to the Donovan trade to move him, and I don’t see the Cardinals pushing for Competitive Balance round picks, as there is talk those will be eliminated.
Yes, the Cardinals should enter a perpetual rebuild where we start trading away players before they even reach arbitration…Gotta get that payroll down to $26 million…
I was also surprised that Schaefer, a graduate student, would get slot value.
The Braves are ruthless when it comes to senior signs and grad students. They used to give them $10k. Now they are giving them $500.
What happens if he doesn’t sign? Will they get another draft pick next year?
Under the current CBA, if a player selected in the first four rounds does not sign, the team gets a draft pick selection in the following year’s draft that is one slot back from the pick that was selected.
So, he was #50 this year, they would get #51 next year.
Regardless, Bloom has bigger fish to fry than trying to worry about which team is going to sweep us 2-0 in the wild card round. He is concerned about 2027 and 2028.
The only tradeable asset on an expiring deal is Romero – who is on the IL.
Not trading players and letting the players on the team see how far they go impacts the future exactly zero.
We have been on the periphery of a wild card spot the last few years and I always wanted us to go for it but was repeatedly told that selling out the farm in order to just get squashed by the big boys was why we were in the situation we were in in the first place.
I heard that so many times that I now believe it. I think we should sell.
When did the Cardinals sell out the farm to make the playoffs?
What tradeable assets do we have this year?
@Jnevel – nobody believed your narrative that Mathews could turn it on and off at will, because why would anyone turn it off when they are trying to make the majors and increase their income by 10X?
May is our best starter? He has the fourth best ERA among starters, leading only Liberatore.
The Cardinals rank 17th in the majors with a 4.22 bullpen ERA. They’re in the bottom five in strikeout rate (20%) and have allowed 4.40 earned runs per nine over the past month.
If you trade O’Brien, who is the closer next year? You know the Cardinals won’t spend money on a free agent closer…
A response could be to try to find some pitchers who have the potential to be dominant but have not damaged their arm already.
You can find guys who have not damaged their arms that are starters who have a deeper pitch repertoire and better command.
Also, most players who attend the combine submit to pre-draft physicals. So medical experts can see if there is any arm damage.
For every Bryan Woo (failed college reliever turned successful MLB starter), there are probably at least 50 college starters turned successful MLB starters.
If it is close in terms of preference, choose the overwhelming statistical odds.
there could be some idea that the most dominant 18 year old or 21 year old may not be the best bet for long term future performance. A response could be to draft some dominant types and some others who have appealing metrics but whose arm is hopefully not already baked.
I get that you may want to avoid drafting HS pitchers even if everything but their age says they are the best player on the board.
However, college relievers are generally guys who couldn’t make the rotation. Most college starters were bullpen guys as freshman, then worked their way into the rotation as sophomores then were the ace or #2 as juniors.
Drafting college relievers with ERAs over 5.00 is anything but “dominant type.”
