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    Brian Walton
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    Who is going with him to LA?

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    #311140
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    I did not expect that. I thought Mo would just be done with baseball and enjoy an early retirement. I can’t say I am surptthe Angels would hire him though as Moreno seems incompetent.

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    I was surprised Minasian lasted as long as he did with his awful rush the draftees to the majors strategy.

    Even more surprised Mozeliak “came out of retirement.”

    #311149
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    Same here with Mo as far as being surprised he got back into the game so quick. But the Angels obviously made him an offer he could not refuse.

    Not a bad place to work and a good ballpark and fan base out there. If they can turn things around that will be a nice gig and good way to cap off his career. If I was Mo
    I would be looking to get Jim Edmonds involved in the organization in some manner.

    Is Pujols still involved with them on that 10 year services deal?

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    The ESPN article states that he’s only going to stay on through the end of the year. However the Angels do not have a traditional POBO. They have instead Club President who oversees the day today business ect…Which just shocks me coming from the Angels front office (snickers) It’s possible Bowtie gets in Arte’s ear and snakes his way into that role. Let’s see if he gets one of his old pals from his days with us to take it.

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    They are one of the worst ran teams in the league. Not only is their big league club terrible they also have one of the worst farm systems. It is hard to have both but they have managed to do it. And they play in a huge market and have plenty of money which again proves that you also have to know what you are doing.

    Mo can’t make them any worse.

    #311174
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    This move was probably made to satisfy a prearranged clause buried somewhere in the Pujols contract way back in Dec. of ’11…

    #311175
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    Mo can’t make them any worse.

    No he can’t. He will have Arte to deal with. That will be an issue but maybe with his dealing with another old owner at the helm he knows how to twist and get what he wants. Idk if that is what his long term interest are but Orange County isn’t a bad place to see if you can make it happen.

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    I think Mo is good at making the owner a lot of money while inherited momentum bleeds away. Not sure what he is supposed to do when there is no momentum.

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    We all know that Mo is flawed, but there sure was a heck of a lot of winning baseball under his flagship. Arte sure appears to be enamored with the Cardinals organization, having dished out huge bucks for one of the all time great Redbird players and now one of it’s longest tenured bosses……anyone know how much Mo is getting paid. I’m thinking at least a couple Mill plus usage of some mighty lavish living quarters. Not bad for a few month gig, but I’m not buying the interim tag being placed on Mo. If things go swell between Mo & Arte this summer, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mo inking a long term deal.

    #311179
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    Good for him. The angels are a terrible organization mainly because of their owner. But in a way, be is just like the dewitts, only at least they finally turned the corner and realized their own faults. He believes that just making the playoffs is the magic water that makes all the losing worth it. So instead of developing an organizational working model, he keeps on living on hope. I hope mo is successful as he can be and keeps the job. Angels are only about 6 games out because of number of bad teams so if he does anything good, you never know. I doubt it but stranger things happen.

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    I was surprised Minasian lasted as long as he did with his awful rush the draftees to the majors strategy

    Was that a Minasian effort or one driven more by Moreno? Moreno has been quite clear in the past he doesn’t like paying minor league players.

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    Was that a Minasian effort or one driven more by Moreno?

    Given that only one GM of the Angels has pursued such a strategy during Moreno’s tenure, it seems that the rush-them-to-the-majors strategy was on Minasian.

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    Ownership cant put the blame on gms. If gms fail, ownership failed. Gms can be fired at any time. And sometimes ownership should fire thenselves. Thats the case here, all their problems lie with ownership.

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    The Angels have made so many boneheaded moves.

    They signed Rendon to a big contract only to see him totally implode.

    They refused to cash in on Ohtani and let him walk for nothing but a compensation pick.

    They gave Pujols a massive contract on the downside of his career and he frankly never did much with them.

    They have completely wasted Trout’s years by never putting any talent around him.

    In 2021 they drafted 20 pitchers and zero position players and all 20 pitchers were a bust.

    They refuse to rebuild thus have a terrible big leage team and a terrible farm system.

    So when people claim that all you need to be succesful is a big market and a lot money don’t believe them.

    Mo is actually an upgrade for them.

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    #311208
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    Totally agree gscottar. Other than the pujols thing. I think pujols had some good years for them, not as great as before but still decent numbers. Plus pujols deserved that money for taking less than he was worth before on the previous contract, cardinals should have matched it. Funny how ownership always delight in making shrewd business decisions that save them money but cut into the players cut but when it cones time to pay the piper they want to cry foul.

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    Trout has also been injured a lot after a great start to his career. Still has some impressive numbers, but misses a lot of games.

    Rendon is probably one of the two worst free agents signings in history, with the Rockies inking Kris Bryant the other. This new Rockies GM looks like he will be a good one though. Things already look like they are on an upswing.

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    Here is ESPN’s view of the 11 worst FA signings ever. Bryant, Rendon and Pujols are among them. So are old friends Jeff Suppan and Jason Heyward, who like Albert signed big, failed deals elsewhere after leaving StL.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/48370280/mlb-2026-free-agency-ranking-best-worst-free-agent-signings-ever-50th-anniversary

    #311249
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    1982willie said about Pujols contract with the Angels:

    “cardinals should have matched it.”

    Hindsight makes it clear they were wise to NOT match it.

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    #311251
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    I don’t know if non-subscribers to the P-D can read this, but they reprinted a story from the Orange County Register that covers Mo’s introductory press conference in LA.

    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/professional/mlb/cardinals/article_5ddc4355-619f-4c0d-8b15-d3bae0fd33b5.html

    #311296
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    Let’s not forget some other big busts from the Angels.

    Vernon Wells

    CJ Wilson

    Josh Hamilton

    I bet if you looked at the worst free agent signings of the last 20 years half of them would have been Angels.

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    #311357
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    I wonder if Mo would want to acquire Liberatore again. He gave up something pretty good for him last time.

    #311358
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    Someone mentioned that, in hindsight, the Cardinals made the right decision not to match the contract that Albert Pujols got from the Angels in the winter of ’11. Maybe so, and maybe not. I can’t say exactly why, but I believe he would have continued to flourish for at least 4 or 5 more seasons had he remained a Cardinal. I think most all would agree that he certainly did just that at the age of 42 when he returned to StL in ’22. I also believe that numerous intangibles come into play in any sort of competition and that those intangibles increase in regards to the impact they have in the game of baseball. In my estimation, the Cardinals made the wrong decision when they allowed Albert Pujols to get away. The simple reason for that belief is that it’s my best guess that if he had remained a Cardinal there would be at least one or two of those fancy WS championship flags flying in the Redbird’s home ballpark downtown. I base that belief entirely on intangibles and the overriding intangible that applies in this case is that he’s the great Albert Pujols and, in my time as a fan of Big League baseball I’ve never seen anyone that even came close to the abuse he administered to opposing pitchers by annihilating a baseball in the manner in which he consistently did so for 11 consecutive seasons. I also happen to believe that, deep down, Willie Jr. thinks his team would have won more championships and sold more tickets if Albert would have remained a Cardinal and that he’s sorry that he didn’t.

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    I believe he would have continued to flourish for at least 4 or 5 more seasons had he remained a Cardinal.

    He flourished 4 or 5 years after he left by any standard other than in comparison to his prime years. His OPS+ was over 100 for 5 years after he left. He had 40 homers the 4th year after he left. 100+ RBIs the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 6th years after he left. Whether he was worth his salary is a different question.

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