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RatsbuddyRatsbuddy
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And on a good note…..the Reds down the Cubs in a slugfest at Cincinnati. 13-12 Reds the final in 10 innings. Cantaloupe the winning hit in the last of the 10th, a soft liner to center for a single to bring home WinkerI wonder if the Reds are a more likely threat for the Central than the Cubs though.
Our pitching seems to have gotten a lot better this week and the offense I’ve roles have started to come together. I’m not worried about Goldschmidt, but if DeJong can get back to his career average, we will be dangerous.
I don’t know what you do with Carpenter, other than cut him. Has anyone with this many PAs in spring hit as bad .033?
Who do you need beyond Dejong, Edman, and Sosa? Carpenter can play 2B for a bit, if two of them go out with an injury. Someone like Sogard would be available otherwise too.
We haven’t been in a position like this in a while, but if it’s a long term injury, they’ll make a trade like picking up Furcal or DeRosa in the past.
Springer just signed for 6yr/$150M at age 31 while a year ago Donaldson signed a 4yr 92M deal going into his age 34 season. There’s probably better comparisons but that’s the two that came to mind for me.
I don’t have a computer in front of me, what would the contracts be that he would be looking at going into 2022 and 23? It’s like a 6yr/$180M deal starting at age 31 and a 5yr/$145M deal at age 32?
I saw it’s 15 due for 2021, 20 deferred to later and 16 due in 2027 for extra year, so the Rockies are paying for 2021 and 2027 exclusively.
I remember Wilson. His parents were legacy grads at Stanford.
I like Oviedo here too. He looks like a legitimate back end big league starter right now and he’ll only be 23 next year.
I’m late to the party!
I’ll go Knizner at #6. The Cardinals haven’t given him much of a chance on the big league roster yet.
The Gerrit Cole and Chris Archer trades are perfect microcosms for why the Pirates are terrible. Trade Cole in January of 2018 for basically replaceable players (Moran and Musgrove). Cole goes on to produce two Cy Young worthy seasons in Houston. Then turn around and trade two future stars to Tampa for Archer in July of the same year.
Imagine the 2019 Pirates with Gerrit Cole (2.50 ERA, 20-5), Tyler Glasnow (1.78 ERA, 6-1), and Austin Meadows (.291 BA, 33 HRs)
Or if they had gotten equivalent value for Cole that they gave to Tampa for Archer.
They had so many players traded too early or that didn’t materialize. Remember they had a top 3 farm system in MLB one year.
Austin Meadows (last years Arrozarena) and Tyler Glasnow went to Tampa for Chris Archer…awful trade. Meadows was a top 10 prospect in all of baseball (Carlson-level) as was Polanco, who never really developed at all. Kang got into all that trouble after looking promising for a couple seasons. Hanson, McGuire, and Kingham were also top 100 prospects that washed out. Then they lose Cole, Taillon gets hurt…Even Robbie Grossman was a former top 100 Pirate prospect that they traded for Wandy Rodriguez.
This is why an easy solution to all this is to add an above-average hitter like Brantley. Then we aren’t relying on a bunch of question marks (incl. Carlson) in the outfield and mixing and matching a bunch of players – something they’ve never been great at.
gscottar
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The idea for Pederson is to get him as a platoon partner for Bader.For me, Pederson would be a platoon player with O’Neill.
Am I missing something? Why would O’Neill get playing time over Bader? Bader is notoriously good vs. LH pitching (killing lefties in the minors) I have O’Neill penciled in for the bench or even AAA in 2021. His OPS was just .621 in 2020. That is over 150 points below what Bader put up (.779).
I guess you could give Carlson the keys to LF and have a Pederson/Fowler OF against RH starters and a Bader/O’Neill OF against LH starters. But that doesn’t really make sense for O’Neill. He is better against RH pitching (small sample size warning) than he is versus LH pitching. In the minors, it was back and forth for him as well split-wise.
stlcard25
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Pads, that’s an interesting take. I had to look up Fowler vs Pederson for right handers since 2016:16-Fowler .827 OPS, Pederson .918 OPS
17-Fowler .883 OPS, Pederson .768 OPS
18-Fowler .582 OPS, Pederson .893 OPS
19-Fowler .775 OPS, Pederson .920 OPS
20-Fowler .801 OPS, Pederson .677 OPSI don’t see those as super close, since Pederson has had three elite years vs RHP and will be 29, while Fowler has had only one and will be 35. I also think Pederson comes cheap after his bad 2020.
To be clear, are you not a fan of Pederson specifically and would rather target someone else, or would you rather not go after any OFers at all?
I ran the numbers for those 5 years and you are right, Pederson is much more prolific against RH pitching with an .870 OPS vs. Fowler’s .782. Not that you can do this, but if you take out Fowler’s wretched 2018 campaign, he has an .824 OPS.
I don’t see the big addition being a platoon player personally. If it’s Pederson, I don’t think we will make the postseason next year.
The idea for Pederson is to get him as a platoon partner for Bader. I’d rather they not spend the likely 10M it would cost to get him on a one year deal for a platoon player.
I’d prefer Brantley, then let the other guys compete for the two other spots.
bccran
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The same for Pederson, Pads?I don’t like Pederson as a fit.
One, the Dodgers platooned him hard in 2020 so I don’t see him going to a situation where he is platooned. Second, the Cardinals aren’t going to give big money to a ‘platoon’ player, and honestly Fowler hasn’t been far off from Pederson when facing RH pitching, excluding his awful 2018. Third, Pederson hasn’t been playing CF for a couple years and the Dodgers aren’t even using him as a backup there, playing Bellinger, Taylor, and Pollack instead. Given that, you’d have to use him by shifting Carlson back and forth. I don’t like that idea either.
Euro DandyEuro Dandy
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This is probably how the Angels fans felt after the 2011 postseason.
Okay, I’m probably having a “duh” moment, but somebody help me out with this one.I meant Padres. Sorry, was thinking of the Cards later trade of Freese to the Angels.
Edman would not be much worse defensively, if any, than Wong at 2B. Have y’all been watching him? He is very gifted defensively.
I also don’t mind keeping Wong and letting Edman play 3B on a nearly full-time basis. The only reason to trade Wong is to get some payroll space for Brantley.
The problem with Turner is there is no way the Dodgers don’t re-sign him or that he wouldn’t want to stay there.
This is probably how the Angels fans felt after the 2011 postseason.
But this time we got Liberatore rather than a past-his-prime Edmonds.
After the arb estimates have come out from MLBTR, I have the payroll around $160M with the assumption that Molina and Waino are re-signed (at $14M & $8M respectively)
Harrison Bader – $1.2MM / $1.7MM / $1.2MM
John Brebbia – $800K / $800K / $800K
Jack Flaherty – $2.2MM / $3.0MM / $2.2MM
John Gant – $1.5MM / $1.9MM / $1.5MM
Jordan Hicks – $900K / $900K / $900K
Alex Reyes – $1.0MM / $1.2MM / $1.0MMMiddle number is what matters.
I don’t even see that Brantley gets a pay cut. Likely a 3yr deal for $48M. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
I don’t see the Cardinals making the postseason without someone equivalent to Brantley being added to the offense.
How the FO makes that happen with all these underperforming, no-trade clause vets is up to him to figure out. They should save some money on a Molina contract and maybe they can trade Miller and Wong away. Ed man can be the full-time 2Bman. If it’s a choice between Edman and Brantley vs. Edman and Wong, it should be a no-brainer, given our weaknesses.
Brian Walton
Why do you think Brantley would have to take a salary cut of 25% or more when his results have been consistently very good?
His OPS+ the last three seasons:
2018 – 124
2019 – 126
2020 – 126I missed this discussion, but Brantley seems like the ideal addition to our roster. I think he’s right in line with some of the better (Berkman, Beltran) additions that they’ve had in the past. I also think he’s a dependable player offensively that could be eased into the DH spot in a year or two.
The big thing with adding Brantley is he immediately fills the dire offensive need.
