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Seattle’s Round B Competitive Balance pick is currently No. 70 and fewer than half of No. 70 draft picks have ever appeared in an MLB game:
It’s worth noting that the Cardinals selected Alec Burleson with the 70th pick of the 2020 draft.
Of the 60 players selected with the 70th pick, 22 played in the majors (36%) and accumulated a total of 84.9 WAR, or 3.9 per major leaguer. However, Andrelton Simmons’ career WAR of 36.5 skewed the average.
Future Cardinals ace Ryan Sloan was taken 55th overall though?
Between 12-100 it’s all about scouting and the draft pool funds matter as well.
Seattle right-hander Bryan Woo, a 2025 All Star, was selected out of college with the 174th pick of the 2021 draft while teammate Bryce Miller was taken with the 113th pick of the same draft.
Scouting counts.
It sure does. The 402nd and 113th overall draft picks will be the next two Redbird players to be inducted into the HOF. There’s a better than decent chance that they’ll both become members of the same HOF class, and the 402nd pick will almost undoubtedly be a unanimous selection. “Scouting counts”…
Harmony, I finally know how to sometimes spell Hjerpe right…. Sometimes being the key word.
Sloan is much easier than Cijntje to spell. We will take Sloan and your comp pick for Donnie and O’Brien.Deal? Call it in! (Just watched Draft Day)
Completely off topic but do you live there btw? Best open face crab cake sandwich and best biscuit breakfast sandwich I’ve ever had came from Seattle.
Sorry, no deal.;-)
Why isn’t Jurrangelo Cijntje adequate? Cijntje was an overall No. 15 draft pick whereas Seattle’s young starting pitching corps of Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo went with the No. 14, No. 20, No. 113 and No. 174 picks, respectively, all out of college programs. The Mariners have experienced good luck scouting college pitchers.
I am a Seattle Mariner fan in Portland, Oregon, but grew up a Minnesota Twin fan in a small Iowa town where the local radio station carried Harry Caray broadcasts of St. Louis Cardinal games.
Cintjie isn’t the prospect that any of Woo, Kirby, Miller or Gilbert were. Irrespective of his MLB.com rank (basically because the Mariners now have a reputation for developing pitching), let’s look at their time in Arkansas at AA (since Harmony mentioned those stats earlier on)…
Kirby: 5 GS, 1.82 ERA, 3.47 FIP, 3.44 xFIP, 0.89 WHIP, 29.0% K-BB
Woo: 9 GS, 2.05 ERA, 2.76 FIP, 3.69 xFIP, 0.89 WHIP, 27.3% K-BB
Miller: 10 GS, 3.20 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 4.40 xFIP, 1.05 WHIP, 20.5% K-BB
Gilbert: 9 GS, 2.88 ERA, 2.87 FIP, 3.90 xFIP, 0.95 WHIP, 21.0 % K-BBDominant, simply put. The ERAs are good, but the WHIP and the K-BB tells the story. These guys were primed to be big league arms. Fangraphs had all these guys but Woo as FV 50 or 55 arms, and ranked Kirby 31th, Gilbert 24th and Miller 75th, and Woo was unranked (and underrated) as a 45+.
Now, for Cintjie: 7 GS, 2.67 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 4.01 xFIP, 1.28 WHIP, 14.5% K-BB
Good, sure. But he’s not in the same prospect sphere as those other guys. Miller is the only one you could even squint and see from where Jurrangelo is positioned right now. Is he a decent prospect? Yes. He’s not a centerpiece that the Cardinals should be aiming for in a trade of their only truly valuable trade chip.
FWIW in its 2025 report, FanGraphs had Jurrangelo Cijntje rated as a FV 50 arm:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jean-michael-cijntje/sa3028930/stats/pitching
However, Cijnyje is overshadowed by Kade Anderson and Ryan Sloan in the Seattle farm system. FanGraphs rated Anderson FV 50 and Sloan FV 45+.
Harmony, the original Voodoo Donuts! Only good thing in Portland!! The one with Oreo crumbles is definitely in my top 3 donuts of all time.
FWIW in its 2025 report, FanGraphs had Jurrangelo Cijntje rated as a FV 50 arm:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jean-michael-cijntje/sa3028930/stats/pitching
However, Cijnyje is overshadowed by Kade Anderson and Ryan Sloan in the Seattle farm system. FanGraphs rated Anderson FV 50 and Sloan FV 45+.
So Sloan should be an easier ask than Cijntje, no? 😉.
If you look back at the rankings, FG generally had Kirby, Gilbert and Miller pegged. They missed on Woo. In their careers, Kirby and Gilbert have basically been #2-3 starters, and their prospect ranking reflected that. That’s basically what a guy like Anderson is projected for. Sloan is very similar. Miller has turned out to be more like a #4, although with a little upside. I’d put Cijntje as a #4-5 guy, which is a below average starter/bullpen arm. Is that really what you hope to get in return for an above average regular with two years of control on cheap arb salaries?
If they got Cijntje, I wouldn’t hate it. But there are probably 10-15 arms that are realistic (by FV) that I’d rather have.
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It sure does. The 402nd and 113th overall draft picks will be the next two Redbird players to be inducted into the HOF. There’s a better than decent chance that they’ll both become members of the same HOF class, and the 402nd pick will almost undoubtedly be a unanimous selection. “Scouting counts”…
I wonder how skewed the #402 pick in baseball is WAR-wise across all of baseball over the last 30 years, just from one player.
I wonder how skewed the #402 pick in baseball is WAR-wise across all of baseball over the last 30 years, just from one player.
On the 402nd picks of the MLB draft:
60 matching player(s). 12 played in the majors (20%). Total of 112.8 WAR, or 9.4 per major leaguer.
… led, of course, by the 101.2 WAR posted by Albert Pujols.
In the end Seattle is unlikely to trade a Top 100 prospect or two for a potential two-year upgrade from returning second baseman Cole Young to Brendan Donovan.
Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each position player, projects Donovan with a 2026 WAR of 3.1 and Young with a 2026 WAR of 2.4. Of course, Donovan have averaged only 501 plate appearances annually over his first four seasons so a reasonable expectation might by closer to 2.7 WAR. Likewise, 600 plate appearances are not guaranteed for Young, who faded badly down the stretch this year in his age 21 season.
A Seattle trade for Donovan is unlikely to happen but the meaningful discussion has been interesting.
It may all be moot anyway. Bloom apparently has a strong propensity to do business with orgs and people where he has past relationships. East rather than west if nothing else.
It may all be moot anyway. Bloom apparently has a strong propensity to do business with orgs and people where he has past relationships. East rather than west if nothing else.
Good point.
A Seattle trade for Brendan Donovan is unlikely to happen although with Boston in November 2023 Chaim Bloom traded Luis Urias to the Mariners for Isaiah Campbell. With the Red Sox, Bloom also engineered separate cash deals that sent Easton McGee to Seattle and Yaksel Rios to Boston.
Thanks for the comments and insight on this Harmony! Good stuff. I have a good friend in Portland – we grew up in Wyoming and as kids in the ‘60s my dad would dial up KMOX at night and listen to Harry and Jack call Cardinal games. My buddy is still a big Cardinal fan and we will text back and forth now and then during the games with our observations.
I like the Mariners and was rooting for them this year. Wanted to see them get their first pennant – came so close. Good luck in ‘26!
In this story: The Cardinals and Red Sox have discussed yet another potential trade, this one involving Brendan Donovan. https://t.co/Zc6bIiTtZW
— Katie Woo (@katiejwoo) December 23, 2025
Bloom’s obsession with dealing with people he knows is concerning at this point. Is it too scary out there?
If you can acquire the trade return you want, does it matter which bank is supplying the prospects? At least we found a buyer this winter😀
If you can acquire the trade return you want, does it matter which bank is supplying the prospects? At least we found a buyer this winter😀
Hopefully Bloom finds another buyer for Donovan. Going back to the same well too many times brings a lot of error into play. Do we really trust that the Red Sox have the best system to restock ours from? Based on their recent results…maybe? But I’d still rather gather from a variety of sources.
I can’t see past the paywall, to see who BOS might send in return, or how/where BOS would use Donny. BOS does have players I’d be interested in, mlb ready too.
I am not sure if anyone listened to the entire Bloom media call yesterday, but in his opening remarks, he slipped and referred to the Cardinals as the Red Sox. I looked at the other faces on the Zoom call and no one other than me seemed to notice!
I asked him how in negotiations he finds the balance of money and number and quality of prospects included. He replied that “You can’t pull a lever like a video game.” There is a lot of back and forth and the other side had wants, too. You just have to find the best match and return.
Regarding continued plans he mentioned three areas.
1) Potential to add another SP, but not a necessity.
2) Want to add an OF (or perhaps IF) who hits righty. Could be starter or reserve. Could be short or long term fit.
3) Add experience to bullpen.He didn’t say “Trade Arenado”, but that seems understood.
Who are the players you’d be interested in, JJ? Tolle or Witherspoon are interesting prospects, but would the Sox give them up? Besides that, they aren’t as interesting a system to me.
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I can’t see past the paywall, to see who BOS might send in return, or how/where BOS would use Donny. BOS does have players I’d be interested in, mlb ready too.
Rosenthal said Donovan would play 2B for BOS and expects he would bring more in trade than either Gray or Contreras. No other names were mentioned other than that the Sox are also looking at Marte from Arizona.
FWIW, I get nothing for it, but for my money, The Athletic is one of the handful of sites I am willing to pay for. BA is another. My oldest son was skeptical so I gave him a subscription to The Athletic for his birthday. He is now a believer because of the breadth of their national coverage. Closer to home, they have a tough assignment hiring Katie Woo’s replacement. Her predecessor Mark Saxon was not a favorite of many.
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