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I want wino back on a similar deal to last year. Low base salary with many incentives.
There are some theories that it is better to sell one year too early rather than one year too late. By trading a player while his value is high, the hope is that they gave the team several years of good production and then nets the team something to sustain the team’s good record. Obviously, you don’t do that with the stars unless it looks like you can’t sign them. It is more for the ones that you have a relatively similar replacement.
Wong is 29 years old and finally put together a complete season like was expected of him for many year. 2 years ago was pretty similar but this year he hit more home runs and stole a bunch of bases. How much longer will he produce like this? I wouldn’t trade him unless I was overwhelmed with an upgrade somewhere.November 7, 2019 at 4:59 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113942
Jager, which of the following would you choose as an alternative to Merrifield:
Player A – .303/.358/.451/.809 with 15 HRs and 33 SBs
Player B – .308/.395/.501/.895 with 14 HRs and 22 SBs
Both are good OFs with the ability to leadoff. One would be a high cost to acquire and the other would be relatively cheap to acquire due to their relative inexperience.
It could also be asked where Carpenter’s range and arm hurt us the least. It could very well be LF. A rough look at Baseball Reference shows that there were 381 total chances at 3B and 241 in LF. Now, that doesn’t take into account the number of hits to LF or bunt hits. However, it seems that having a good fielding 3Bman is better than having a good fielding LFer.
Fowler in the first half of the season went 1 for 22 hitting leadoff. Over the last 7 games of the season, he was 3 for 27 hitting leadoff. In between, he had 179 PAs in the leadoff position with a slash line of .257/.380/.426/.806. The Cardinals record during those 42 games was 28-14. Edmans hit much better in the 2nd or 7th spot in the order than he did at leadoff. All this shows is that it doesn’t matter whether Fowler or Edman is the leadoff hitter. I think it does show that a lineup where Fowler is playing along with Edman, that Fowler should be leading off and Edman hitting somewhere else in the lineup to get the best producing lineup possible.
If you don’t like it, don’t respond. Edman was just 1 piece. Nothing more. Maybe he should have tried to play the games by himself. One man against an entire team. It sounds like you are saying he could do it.
Without the entire team, they don’t win.
Once again, Edman was just 1 piece of the team. If you take away any 1 of the players I mentioned above, they don’t win the division. They all contributed in some way or another. Flaherty was their ace in the 2nd half. Hicks was the closer in the first half. CMart was the closer in the 2nd half. Goldschmidt was valuable for both his bat and his defense. Bader’s defense made a huge difference. Hudson and Wainwright provided many quality starts. Wong’s defense and improved hitting helped a lot. DeJong’s bat in the first month pretty much carried the team. Edman would not have made a difference if all the others hadn’t done their part, too.
The Cardinals also would not have won the division without Flaherty or Molina or Wong or Wieters or Bader or Goldschmidt or Ozuna or Hicks or CMart or Hudson or Wainwright, etc. To present Edman in a way that makes it look like Edman was the only reason they won the division just doesn’t seem right to me. He is not THAT good of a player. He is good but he hasn’t even won the starting assignment at any 1 position. If Carpenter, DeJong, Wong, Bader and Arozarena or O’Neill come out and hit like they are capable next year, I am not sure Edman will play as regularly as you have stated. The ONLY position that he seems lined up to start at for the Cardinals is 3B. Shildt seems to favor starting Carpenter there if Carpenter is hitting.
To follow up on my thoughts about too many strikeouts, here are some strikeout percentages with RISP:
Major league average – 21.98%
National league average – 21.64%
Cardinals average – 22.36%
Here are the splits with RISP:
Major leagues – .262/.345/.443/.788
National league – .263/.350/.444/.794
Cardinals – .250/.342/.393/.735
Another thing about the Cardinals is that they had about 25% less home runs with RISP than either the NL average or ML average.
I believe there is enough in the statistics to show that the Cardinals suffered from too many strikeouts and overall poor hitting with RISP. DeJong and Ozuna seem to be the 2 biggest culprits in key batting positions.
My thoughts without checking data is that we have too many key hitters striking out too much, especially with runners on base. I plan on doing some research to see if that really is the case.
One thing I quickly noticed about the data that Sooner provided is that the Cardinals had 69 games with 3 or less runs, the Cubs 48, Atlanta 47 and Houston 56. They had 51 games with 2 or less runs while the Cubs had 35, Houston 35 and Atlanta 29.
They definitely had a problem scoring runs, consistently.November 1, 2019 at 5:37 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019 #113452
I am really questioning whether or not this front office has common sense. They signed Fowler to a 5 year contract, Carpenter to an extension when they already had him signed through 2020, and Cecil to a 4 year contract at age 30. I am not totally against the front office but I am starting to question them. We are going to have to dig out of a payroll bind.
One question: the extension the Cardinals signed Carpenter to doesn’t start until 2020. The no-trade clause was in that contract. Could they actually trade him prior to 2020 without his OK due to the terms of his prior contract?
I’ll make a deal with you GC, I will stop calling him a super-sub when he has started at least half a year at a single position. In return, just ignore what I call him, it’s just a title.
It doesn’t matter to me how many times you say he is not a sub. In my eyes and (from what I can tell) some other posters eyes, at this time, he is a super-sub. If you learn anything about me, you will know that I will not change my belief on this if you said it in 1,000 straight posts.
Brian, this is the last time I will address the matter directly unless provoked.
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Edman is better than Munoz at everything.
Which is why Shildt chose to start Munoz over Edman at SS. I think I understand, now. You must be implying that Shildt is a bad manager.
Starting at many different positions makes you a super-sub or utility player, not a starter. He has no positional home to be a starter.
Bw51, so you are saying the glass is half empty. Also, Edman had a 52 point jump in his batting average at Springfield from 2017 to 2018, so we should be skeptical of his jump? I guess we should also be doubting Carlson. After all, he hit 48 points higher this year than his previous career minor league average. If you want to find a reason to doubt a player, there are things to look at with any minor leaguer or rookie.
Arozarena is originally from Cuba. How many of the players from Cuba come to the United States and make it to the majors in 3 years? He may have been playing there but it doesn’t mean he was completely developed and ready for the majors when he signed. I thought someone made a comment that RA had worked on his swing since getting to the U.S.
Munoz can also play 3B, 2B and OF. IF a manager was going to put someone in at SS and he has a choice between 2 players, he will choose the better defensive SS at SS.
Edman is not a sub
No. He is a super-sub.
I am pretty sure that no one has said that he isn’t an OPTION to back-up DeJong at SS. What IS being said is that in 2019 he WASN’T the back-up and the primary back-up is still on the team, Munoz. Therefore, until proven otherwise, Munoz is the primary back-up at SS.
Shildt has chosen that Edman is not the primary back-up at SS and he is only one who matters.
BW52, Edman only hit .283 in the minors before this year. He did alright in the majors. Why isn’t Arozarena just as likely to perform in the majors?
Just like you are making huge assumptions that Edman is the backup SS without playing 1 inning in the major leagues at that position.
Besides, it wasn’t just 1 game. He had Thomas and Arozarena on the bench when Edman was playing the OF. It would have been VERY easy to play one of them in the OF and Edman at SS. There are other dates that Edman could have played SS. Edman did not start anywhere on September 12th, the second game on September 1st, August 21st, August 15th, August 5th, July 26th, July 13, July 14 and July 15th. After all, DeJong was hitting VERY poorly. From May 25th to the end of June, DeJong hit .190. If you include all of July, DeJong was hitting .196 since May 25th. DeJong only hit .219 in July and August. Despite all of this, DeJong kept starting every game while Edman was still available to start some games at SS.
It’s a pretty lame excuse to say he was starting other positions. There were other players who were hitting better than DeJong to play those other positions while Edman gave DeJong a break. Carpenter hit .267/.366/.500/.866 in September. He could have played a little more and Edman play SS. But the fact of the matter is that Shildt chose to not play Edman at SS. The only time he chose to give DeJong the game off, he started Munoz.
Obviously, Shildt believes Munoz is the backup SS and he is the only one who counts.
He probably won’t be because he is playing other positions. I would take him over Munoz.
I will summarize one of your favorite comeback themes to people who you disagree with: obviously Mike Shildt thinks Munoz is the backup SS and he is the only who counts.
Edman was called up on June 8th. On June 10th, Munoz started at SS while Edman sat the bench. On July 14th, Munoz started at SS while Edman sat the bench. On August 17th, Munoz started at SS while Edman started in RF and Thomas and Arozarena were on the bench. On September 1st, Munoz started at SS while Edman started at 2B and Wong sat the bench. On September 25th, Munoz started at SS while Edman started at 3B.
It sure looks to me like Munoz is the backup SS. Munoz has started 26 games at 2B, 17 at 3B, 7 in both RF and CF and 4 in LF. So he is capable of playing those positions, too.
It’s just that he won’t be used there as much as Munoz, if at all.
You are the one that introduced the phrase What will the Cardinals actually do. You said this: “This goes back to the question asked earlier – is this about what posters want or what we think the Cardinals will actually do?” Of course, it is speculation. That was what my line-up was.
Unless I am reading this wrong, this response doesn’t answer the question. Are you stating what you want or speculating what the Cardinals will do?
Edman may have been valuable to the 2019 season but to completely rely on him starting every day could prove to be foolish if he suffers the “sophomore slump”.
I, personally, would not rate him higher than Wong at 2nd or Arozarena in the OF. It’s obvious that Fowler will get every opportunity to play. If Bader is hitting, he will play. DeJong seems to play no matter how he is hitting. That leaves Edman either starting at 3B or super-sub.
I believe the Cardinals best plan of action is to proceed with the thought that Edman will be a super-sub and then make sure the roster reflects that philosophy.