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Wong (exercise option)
On the Bubble:
Fowler (just to save the roster spot for someone else)
This was harder than I thought it would be. I really wish that Mikolas didn’t have a NTC. I would have left him exposed. The same with Carpenter. Bader just barely makes it on.
If Vince Coleman, Jim Edmonds, Tom Herr, Mark McGwire and Scott Rolen deserve to be in the Cardinal HOF, then Keith Hernandez deserves to be there. I am not going to hold things that were said or done, that may be due to drug use, over 25 years ago against him. The FACTS remain that he had an excellent career as a Cardinal, he won a WS as a Cardinal and an MVP as a Cardinal.
Interstate 74 seems to be a dividing line although I don’t know how it is East of Bloomington, IL. I know around Galesburg, there are a lot of fans of both teams. Cub fans may slightly outnumber Cardinal fans, but not by a lot.May 13, 2020 at 2:49 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #128538
I am a fan of Wong’s but I still think the Cardinals should consider trading him after 2020. He had his best offensive season in 2019. According to Baseball Reference, his oWAR was 3.4. His best season prior to 2019 was 1.9 oWAR in 2017. Compare that to Dexter Fowler’s oWAR for his 3 years prior to signing with the Cardinals: 3.9, 3.7 and 4.0. The Cardinals signed him to play when he was 31. The Cardinals would be signing Wong to his next contract at age 31.May 10, 2020 at 9:57 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #128308
The only problem with keeping Wong is that in 2-3 years after signing him, he becomes the next Carpenter, Fowler or Wieters.May 6, 2020 at 11:07 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #128118
I hope that long-term deal is no more than 3-4 years. Wong will be 30 in October so he will become a free agent at basically 31 years old. That would not be the time to get into a long term deal for a lot of money for a second baseman. He can be real good but he has not been an offensive game changer very often. If Edman continues to play close to what he did in 2019, he is a better option after 2021 when you consider cost and risk. Wong is probably better suited to trade, like Jamie Garcia, after 2020.May 2, 2020 at 3:53 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #127923
Unless I missed it, has there been any discussion of how the DH will be used this season? I was listening to SXM and they talked about the DH would be used by every team for every game this season. If so, that would make for an interesting discussion for the Cardinals.
gscott, Reyes will probably not be eligible for arbitration this offseason. He has been optioned to the minors and is not getting service time, nor will he once the season begins unless he shows he has control of his pitches. Of the others eligible for arbitration, I see Hicks and Flaherty as the only 2 who will get a large increase in salary. The others will only get a small increase.
The increase in DeJong’s contract offsets some of the decrease from the others to net $25 million. I did not mean that DeJong’s contract comes off the books.
Then DeWitt would not be living up to his word that the money is there to make a significant upgrade. If $5 million is enough to make or break the club, then the Cardinals are in trouble. (The $5 million figure comes from the difference of where I think is the club’s Max offer to Molina and where others think is the club’s Max offer.)
It sounds like most objections are to the money involved. I don’t know why, in this case, it should be a problem.
If we don’t re-sign Yadi, we will have a net $25 million coming off the books between Molina’s, Cecil’s and DeJong’s contracts. Then we have to figure arbitration for Gant, Flaherty, Bader, Hicks and Brebbia. Then there’s the options for Wong and Andrew Miller. Wieters and Brad Miller are only signed through 2020. Then, Fowler comes off after 2021 and maybe Carpenter, too. The money is there to make it work unless we want to do a major upgrade to some position in the next year.
I think the option should be team controlled. I don’t want to make it Yadi’s choice. If he falls off the cliff, reject the option.
All this could change depending on what he does this year, if there is a season. If he shows he is slipping a lot, 1 year at a time is the way to go. If he is holding fairly steady, 2 years plus a team option at REASONABLE figures is fair terms for a good catcher.
It might be enough of an incentive to get him to re-sign. He would know he could go out whenever he wanted. For the Cardinals, it assures that we have a competent catcher until Herrera is ready. I would look to trade Knizner while his value is high.
I had stated prior that I would go no more than $12 million AAV. I would also go only 2 years. I might be willing to put an option for a third. How about $9 million base with $4 million incentives in 2021. $7 million base with $4 million in incentives for 2022. If there is an option for 2023, it would be $6 million base with $3 million in incentives. I hope that Herrera is ready to be the starter in 2022 or 2023. Yadi becomes his Mike Matheny.
Brian, I just read your article about using Wainwright as a model for a contract for Yadi. One thing I will point out is that Wainwright has had many arm issues which should lower his contact figures. As a pitcher, there is a greater risk he gets hurt or underperforms. We have a fairly consistent track record with Yadi.
An appearance incentive is probably a good thing for Yadi at this point. However, I think the top end of the contract should be more than Wainwright’s. After all, Yadi is a second pitching coach on the field almost every night.
I’m alright with re-signing Yadi. However, it needs to be after the season is over and we can give him the more than the maximum cut. I am OK with up to $12 million AAV. He can hold the position until Herrera is ready.
We really needed this minor league season to be played. We needed to get Herrera and Rodriguez more seasoning so that we could trade Knizner for an improvement in another area after this season. Who knows, we may need to re-sign Wieters to be the starter for 2 years.
However, we won’t know if they will be successful or not if we don’t give them a chance to prove themselves.April 24, 2020 at 1:06 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #127400
If it wasn’t for the regular TV contracts, I wonder if a pay-per-view situation with empty stadiums would make up lost revenues.
Brian, I agree that the Cardinals can’t risk something like Machado or Betts. That is, unless the market allows us to once again make trades like we did for Edmonds, Rolen or Holliday.
Wong has been promising but has never been to much of an offensive threat. DeJong has a potent bat but it’s too early to declare him a difference maker.
Where I believe the Cardinals need to target is acquiring a young difference maker like Lindor. That is where they used to excel. Renteria, Rolen, Edmonds, Holliday, etc. They attempted it with Ozuna but it didn’t work out. It would have been nice to get Yelich but he wasn’t available when we acquired Ozuna.
Bc, per your 20 year list earlier, 12 of those 20 years the Cardinals had at least 50% of it’s starters as home grown. That’s a little more than rarely. I’m not going to argue that we haven’t developed a true difference maker other than Carpenter in the last decade, though.
How about a totally different idea and add a 3rd team in NYC. The other location could maybe be Montreal or Las Vegas. NYC used to have 3 teams. Maybe that would make more sense.
Well, we have a lot of posters claiming Tommy Edman as the next great player with only 326 major league ABs. Not only that but he is “proven”, evidently.
Once again, we are going to take small sample sizes to prove points but ignore other samples like spring training this year or career averages. As many have said, numbers can be twisted to prove points.
14Ny, do you have any proof to the “fact” Mo was forcing Fowler into the lineup? I have not seen anything anywhere.