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I think there’s a possibility that we see more “piggyback” games where “starters” go 3-4 innings and another starting pitcher takes over.
I’ve been thinking the Cardinals should do this for years, with their pitching depth – Just to keep everyone stretched out. For instance, Wainright is lucky to go 6 innings, so put him and Reyes (as an example) together. One pitches 5 innings, the other 4.
A source close to the negotiation informed Pio Deportes that Marcell Ozuna aspires to a contract of 4 or more years and from US$22 to US$25 million per season.
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Yes, since the Cardinals aren’t spending anything on Arenado, the ideal situation would be to bring back Yadi, Wong & Ozuna (if there is a DH). I would have to think the Cardinals would be WS favorites at that point.
It is true the Cards aren’t paying him in 2021 but they will owe him $20M later.
The Rockies will be giving the Cardinals that $20 million to pay him, so yes, him plying for the Cardinals this year is free to the Cardinals.
Is it possible that they could end up with Arenado, Wainwright, Molina, and sign Ozuna all for Kolton Wong’s money?
No
Wong was due $12.5 million. Wainwright signed for $8 million.
Are the Rockies really gonna pay for both Arenado and Ozuna with the extra $15 million?
Yes, the Cardinals should bring back Ozuna if we have a DH this year
Also is the $20m that is deferred a conditional payment?
So, the $20 million is paid to the Cardinals if Arenado does not opt out, and paid directly to Arenado if he does opt out.
I would argue they took a horrible situation and made it worse or in the best case scenario didn’t improve it. And the worst part for them is that they created the horrible situation in the first place. If Arenado’s contract is indeed $40m-$50M underwater, whose fault is that? And who created or allowed the relationship between the front office and Arenado to become so toxic?
They made a bunch of ill-advised free agent moves, like Ian Desmond and their high-priced relievers. Then, they refused to spend more.
It wasn’t the Arenado deal by itself that made it a toxic situation. It was their failures in free agency. A situation we know all too well (see Fowler, Cecil, etc)
Is there somewhere I can go to learn how to do that myself?
You can play with the Trade Simulator
so fans are being dumb by thinking Gorman should be traded.
I don’t recall seeing anyone advocate that Gorman should be traded because of this deal.
I am not so sure. Mo said as recently as today again that they expect to have a down payroll in 2021. Unless they get a lot of cash up front – or unload some salary in another trade – they would have to get a lot of $$ relief this season.
Sometimes, things change. The Cardinals were already set to win the division. Now, they are virtually a lock, barring injuries.
Maybe Mo & DeWitt saw a market inefficiency and are squeezing the shorts.
So the Cardinals are essentially getting Arenado for 6 years/$150M? That is essentially the George Springer contract and Arenado is younger. This could be a steal for the Cards.
Yeah, but Springer only cost cash, not prospects/players
That $50 million only matters if Arenado does not opt out.
He could opt out, renegotiate with the Cardinals, sign a new deal, and then the Rockies owe nothing, is my guess, as that $50 million is probably backloaded.
And I am guessing Arenado couldn’t just “waive” his 2021 opt out, so he has a gentleman’s agreement not to exercise it, and that’s why they are putting in the 2022 opt out.
Wow. I did not think the Cardinals would really pull this off. And the trade package going back to Colorado, if it is close to what is reported, seems like a win for the Cardinals.
Now, they also have a way of keeping Carpenter’s option from vesting.
I think it is more likely Bader’s 2018 was a “sophomore slump” than indicative of where he is as a hitter.
He hit in the minors. He’s hit well enough in two out of the last three years he would be at least a 4 WAR player over 600PA’s, and in his “terrible” year, he would have been a 3 WAR player.
That’s above average.
Since Fowler is going to play because of his contract, it makes sense to have O’Neill as the 4th OF since we know they are also going to play Carlson. But O’Neill should play one day a week for each of the starters. Every other day type arrangement, + PH/DH.
So again, if you have Bader (whom you like) in CF because of his defense, how do you get O’Neill and Thomas enough at bats to really see what you have there.
Since the Cardinals seem to be in penny pinching mode, if Edman is your 2B and Carpenter is your 3B, then Fowler becomes your DH and you start Carlson in LF, Bader in CF, O’Neill in RF and Thomas as 4th OF. Emphasize run prevention.
Of course, the Cardinals should do everything possible to limit Carpenter’s AB’s so his option doesn’t vest…
The Cardinals claim to set their payroll based on fan attendance, and there were no fans this year. So, if anything, I expect them to make salary cuts this year.
That means Brad Miller will not return, plus we have the contracts of Brett Cecil and Mike Leake coming off the books, with a salary decrease coming for Yadi. Those will be partially offset by salary increases for DeJong and Wong, plus arbitration increases for arb eligible players.
In other words, the only thing I expect the Cardinals to do is maybe add a pitcher from overseas.
As for Bader, he had the 4th highest OBP on the team.
