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  • in reply to: The Front Office's place in all of this chaos. #93987
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    I’ve never heard of FanSided or Matt Graves, but I can’t really argue with anything he said there.

    And, apparently, neither can the person who seems to think he’s wrong and stupid.

    in reply to: Rules/Save Question #93751
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    Yes.

    in reply to: Dallas Keuchel free agent thread #93660
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    There is no way Keuchel is worth only $3.5 million less than Fowler. 😉

    The real Dallas Keuchel would have helped a lot, but it’s a gamble when you sign someone two months into the season who isn’t ready. There is a decent chance he’s not good this year. If we really want him, we have a chance this winter.

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    This same “joke” of a front office brought a WS title in 2011 and the best record in the NL in 2013 and 2015.

    This just isn’t true. Jeff Luhnow left in December of 2011, and while Mo was able to “ride the wake” for a bit, Luhnow obviously had some special sauce that he took with him to Houston.

    There are certainly a lot of factors, but I am amazed that so many people think that our front office has been doing a good enough job for the last few years. This team is rapidly heading in a poor direction. Mo had some great years, but if he were a player, he would have been released by now (unless his name rhymed with Nexter Prowler).

    This team had a good season the year after his death, but the untimely death of Oscar Taveras is as good of a timestamp for the start of the demise as any. The impact of his loss is something that has compounded since his loss.

    in reply to: StL 2019 Game 54 thread: Wed 5/29 at Phils #92173
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    I’ll talk about the game. Dexter Fowler may not be able to catch a fly ball. He may not be able to hustle. And he may still have the same number of hits as the Cardinals leadoff man as I do this year. But he has hit two fair balls to the outfield tonight. That is real improvement we can hang our hats on!

    in reply to: StL 2019 Game 54 thread: Wed 5/29 at Phils #92165
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    June 9, 2017 – Third base coach Chris Maloney is fired. The team still misses the playoffs.
    July 14, 2018 – Manager Mike Matheny and hitting coach John Mabry are fired. The team still misses the playoffs.

    Keep going up the ladder and they will finally get to the root of the problem.

    in reply to: StL 2019 Game 54 thread: Wed 5/29 at Phils #92147
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    Dexter Fowler is embarrassing himself. So is Shildt, honestly. I’m about ready for a purge.

    in reply to: Wacha removed from rotation – replacement is Cabrera #91907
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    Some great examples for Mo getting excused. Poor guy makes so many great decisions that, through no fault of his, turn out poorly for his team. Someone give that man an extension!

    in reply to: Wacha removed from rotation – replacement is Cabrera #91858
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    Panic just seemed like a nicer word than stupid, though I agree it’s probably not accurate. It was a trade to make a trade. I’m not sure how it benefits (or benefited) the Cardinals other than to open up playing time for lesser players. I hardly see that as a benefit. Trading Pham is something that was a result of the terrible Fowler signing. These were both deals that were criticized at the time (just not by the Mo enablers), and many seem to forget that.

    No has made some good deals, there is no doubt about that. But they do not even come close to making up for his bad deals and his inability to put together something resembling a balanced, complete team.

    To pretend that the overall trajectory of this team has been positive on Mo’s watch is just self-delusion by egotistical people who have dug in and decided Mo is the hill they’re gonna die on.

    I give Mo’s leadership team about 2 years before it bottoms out and we have a team that doesn’t even look like a contender from a distance if you squint really hard – which is where we are now.

    in reply to: Wacha removed from rotation – replacement is Cabrera #91841
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    This is a team without direction, a team that doesn’t have a plan, and a team without accountability from the front office on down. They are enabled by an excuse-making faction of the media that covers it and amazing fans that love their team and will be loyal no matter what. Those fans deserve better than what they are getting.

    Seeing Cabrera in person will give us a nice view of the panic trade that was made a year ago to acquire him. They guy we traded away is playing at an elite level, and Cabrera was a large percentage of our return for that.

    in reply to: Bryce Harper thread #89579
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    Wonder if he might catch the same mental illness that Fowler did when he was hitting below the Mendoza line.

    Fowler seems to have been cured of his issues. They must have some prescribed some pretty good meds.

    in reply to: What is wrong with Dexter Fowler and what should be done? #88493
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    Very consistent train of thought on Pham and Fowler.

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    The Dependable Four.

    in reply to: What is wrong with Dexter Fowler and what should be done? #88490
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    Obviously, his numbers on 4/23 will hold up through September. Show some patience before you pass that crow across the table.

    in reply to: StL 2019 Game 22 thread: Mon 4/22 vs. Brewers #88489
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    I agree entirely with Bob Reed.

    And I will add – the minute he has positive value, trade him.

    I am glad he is helping us win games, but I’d rather move forward without someone who is better at running from accountability than he is running from 1st to 3rd on a single.

    in reply to: StL 2019 Game 21 thread: Sun 4/21 vs. Mets #88337
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    I worry about Miller. His stats are bad this year, but he’s pitched worse than his results indicate.

    in reply to: Wieters #87995
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    It will be sad day for me when Yadi retires. He’s definitely not what he used to be, but he’s still good enough for me. And him in his prime was a sight to behold.

    in reply to: Wieters #87971
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    Yadi in 2023 might need a walker to get to 1st base.

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    Brian, by that do you mean it will be a personnel issue?

    Edit: Sorry, I asked before you clarified.

    in reply to: Ozuna shoulder irritation #87929
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    If it is just a matter of luck in what happens later, we can probably save a lot of money on front office salaries.

    Was Mikolas just a lucky thing working out last year, or can we give some credit to the front office guys? I think they should own their wins and own their failures. If Ozuna can continue to put up huge offensive numbers, he will be a huge win. If he has another season like he did last year (him leading the team in RBIs doesn’t move the needle much for me), then it will probably be a wash (we didn’t trade away much, if any, value, but he does make enough money that there is a little opportunity cost).

    Holland was a major fail due to the wasted payroll, but even more to the loss of the draft pick.

    All front offices will have wins and losses, ours is no different. But when they come up short, it should be owned – not explained away due to bad luck.

    My bottom line (which is entirely meaningless outside of message board discussion) is that Mo and his front office need to start showing improvement on the field. This team has not trended well for 8 years. Even if you want to assign the failures to bad luck, at some point you need to try to change your luck. I’m of the opinion that it is time to clean house, but that day is on the horizon if things don’t turn around. Here’s hoping this year will be that turn-around.

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    Patience!

    in reply to: Ozuna shoulder irritation #87913
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    Well we have been notoriously patient at the trade deadline the last several years when it comes to making impactful upgrades. How has that worked out?

    Seeing as how we had a ton of dead payroll sunk into non-productive players (and still do), I for one am glad we haven’t gutted our farm system. We are getting a lot of contributions from minimum contract guys – because we have to.

    Sometimes patience works, and sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes aggressively going after a deal works, and sometimes it doesn’t. But I’m not one of the ones in this thread claiming we only had one option – aggressively pursuing a deal. We could have done either. We chose to pursue the deal. The Brewers chose patience.

    What does that tell us? Probably nothing. But I’m not going to admonish Cardinals fans who watched us go 2-5 against the Brewers who really wish we had been more patient. And I’m not going to troll them with memes and jokes. Just like I can’t fault the people who wish we hadn’t aggressively gone after Fowler. It is a reasonable point of view.

    in reply to: Ozuna shoulder irritation #87879
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    Yes that is an option but is it a good option for a team that at the time of the Ozuna deal had missed the playoffs two years in a row (now three)?

    I believe that Milwaukee had missed the playoffs six years in a row, and they chose to do nothing when we traded for Ozuna, and that worked out fine for them. They chose not to bid against themselves in a panic move for Dexter Fowler, and that worked out for them, too.

    Sometimes patience can be a good play, especially when you are talking about guys with track records of being decent preceding one outlier year of being really good.

    The idea that the Cardinals could not have been more patient, or that it would have been a bad idea is not supported by facts.

    Defend the Ozuna trade on its own merits (and it holds up), but don’t make up a fictional scenario where the Cardinals had to be impatient. That is the exact sort of things that lead to Fowler deals (and I fear Miller deals).

    My apologies for using trigger words in the past. I haven’t posted here much, and I didn’t realize it would cause me to be viewed as an aggressor.

    in reply to: Ozuna shoulder irritation #87847
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    I’m just an outside observer to the broader discussion, and I see what I see. I’m not hurt by anything.

    I just think that there are many fans who see that the Cardinals got out-maneuvered by the Brewers last offseason, and it can’t hurt to just let them vent instead of pretending that the Cardinals were just the unfortunate bystanders of bad luck. The Brewers played by the same rules as the Cardinals and just did better. No need for spin. We aren’t going to win them all.

    in reply to: Ozuna shoulder irritation #87838
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    How could not continuing to try to improve the offense after that be viewed as a good option?

    This is the sort of disheveled thinking that leads to contracts like Fowler’s.

    As I’ve said many times, I’m fine with the Ozuna deal. I’m not fine with people like you talking down to others by saying nonsensical things along the lines of “we must do something!”.

    Justify the Ozuna deal on its own merits. Don’t resort to bad groupthink that leads to bad deals – we’ve seen enough of those to last a long time. Doing nothing is always an option.

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