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I’m anxious to see what the offense does without Ozuna and Martinez since they contributed at times in contrast to some of the slugs were left with.
Bader is a bust like most prospects. Only a handful make it big (Pujols, Molina, Flaherty and a very few others). He’s just another flop.
You have to go big to be an elite team. Make the Arenedo trade and a couple of more for quality talent then you can approach elite. That would cost too much money and too many prospects and that will never happen. The Cardinals can be a respectable team and that’s all. Mo said the rumors were 90-95% untrue and I’m sure they are. That translates that there is a 5-10% chance they’ll do anything worthwhile.
The Cardinals should do this in a second. To shy away from Arenado or someone like him because of the perceived talent that is being traded is the kind of timid approach that has made the Cardinals mediocre in recent years. Be bold and take risks I say. You’ll never get any better by playing it safe. I don’t think we’d be giving up much at all. Hudson is the one talent that we’d miss. Martinez is a risk to stay healthy and if he becomes a starter then hell be on the 60 day before June. O’Neill is Grichuk Jr. The prospect from Tampa is just that. Who knows if he’ll be any good ever. Get quality talent now and quit waiting for the phenoms to be great when they almost never are. If this is real, and I have trouble believing that it is, then make the deal by all means. Be bold Junior…trade prospects and raise the payroll…please!
The first big test for Reyes is…Can he get out of ST without season ending surgery. I’d put the odds at 50/50.
Some of these posters are comical. If anyone thinks that Junior feels any compulsion to invest that 6.4 million in new talent or if Junior is ever going to reduce his profit margin to put more talent in the field…does not know Junior. They won the division and the NLDS. That means nothing to me but to Junior it validates doing nothing and spending nothing. So, you would do well to abandon your schemes and dreams of Junior being a big time player this off-season. The roster is largely set for next year. You can make out your opening day line-up today.
DeJong in the 4th spot? I haven’t head anything that funny in months. The thing is, however, it would be typical of the Cardinals to acquire no one for the middle of the lineup and declare DeJong the cleanup guy. You might get your way, GaneCard.
Team of the Decade
First Place
Three World Series Titles
Giants
Second Place
Two World Series Titles
Red Sox
Third Place
One World Series Title
Cardinals, Royals, Cubs, Astros, NationalsThose are teams of the decade in their proper places.
The Front Office knows they made a big mistake in signing Fowler but they can’t say so publicly.
They also know that no other team wants him.
On Opening day 2020 the lineup will look like thisCF Fowler
2B Wong
1B Goldschmidt
RF Martinez
C Molina
LF Edman
3B Carpenter
SS DeJong
P FlahertyGet used to this and it will reduce your angst when few or no significant moves are made.
The next two years will be something called…playing out the string.
Thank you gscottar. You have said everything that needs to be said to render this thread superfluous.
A trade thread has no validity until 2022.
I don’t see what the dilemma is. Edman will play left. Martinez and Fowler will split right and Bader and Fowler will spit center. The outfield for 2020.
I can assure you that the FO does not agree with you that we need a LH starter. And, if we somehow have one next year he will come from Memphis.
Yes, some bad contracts should be eaten but don’t expect Junior do that anytime soon. They have some bad contracts and until they are expired there will be no meaningful moves by this FO. The next two years will be a wash until they have room to make moves and the hall-of-fame prospects arrive from Memphis. If you want to watch your team in the World Series you need to find another team.
The Nationals won the games that counted. The fact that they only won two more than the Cardinals is superfluous. The Cardinals should have made the moves in the off-season and at the deadline that put them in a position to win the games that counted but Mo said they had enough…clearly they did not. It’s hard to improve your team by doing nothing.
Cardinals27:
It’s not about an open mind as to performance in ST. It is very simple, actually. Contracts start and play. Carpenter and Fowler will start no matter how bad they are in ST or how good the youngsters are. !8.5 and 16.5 million are not going to be bench players. Those two and DeJong will do more to paralyze the Cardinals next year over alleged cheapness. As has been said before by fans and the FO itself, though veiled, bad contracts keep the Cardinals from going big in the off-season.
No…Winning the World Series is all that matters. I don’t give a rat’s behind about playing hard or competing. I care about the front office acquiring the talent to put a strong roster on the field like the Astros, Dodgers, Yankees, etc.
Mediocity is missing the playoffs or getting mugged in a round before the World Series.
They won a weak divsion when the other two contenders went on vacation towards the end of the season.If Bader, Fowler, Carpenter, J. Martinez, DeJong are on the roster on opening day in 2020 or worse in the starting line-up then the team is mediocre.
Brian:
I didn’t see a parade to the ballpark after we made the final four. I didn’t see a parade in Houston after they won three games in the WS. You either win it all and take hone the trophy or you failed. Now, there are Big failures like teams that lose 90 games and minor failures like teams that make the final four but stall. But falling short is failing. Mo said they had enough so they did nothing at the deadline. Apparently they didn’t have enough unless he only wanted to win the NLDS. But it would appear that they were satisfied since they announced that the payroll would stay the same for 2020. winning the division and drawing 3.4 made Junior happy so why do anything more. Their present business model will keep the team making plenty of money but won’t result in a WS title. I long ago resigned myself that the team I’ve rooted for since 1964 will never rise above mediocrity. I can live with that.
Jager:
You’ve done it again. I like the Chapman proposal. But after they make it they can’t STOP. Then you go out and get a top notch outfielder and a top notch starter (Not Cole) and a top notch closer. Then you have my attention. Then they are finally SERIOUS about winning the World Series. Now, Mo, you have your extension…let’s see you earn it.
Pugs:
I’ll tell you, I’d stop being like I usually am when the cardinals start acquiring some real talent. I’m right, until they win the World Series. There’s no chance of that until we get new owners so I’m safe.
14Nyquist:
There won’t be anything “elite” coming to St. Louis this century. Mo will pick up a slug or two and say he’s excited about the team. End of off-season.
