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1 year of Wong. No way I’d pick up that option. I’ve never been a huge fan of his at all and Edman is a cheaper and a better option.
Martinez is a good, but the heath questions are concerning. If they can get out of that contract it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Especially for using the money elsewhere when they have bad unmovable contracts with no trades in Carpenter and Fowler. I’m not real sold that Goldschmidt’s contract isn’t going to be a hindrance sooner rather than later either.
I’m not sold on O’Neill either, the team control doesn’t concern me with him when I don’t think he can hack it as an everyday player and others can fill the 4th OF role.
Ponce was a guy I added because he again doesn’t have a role on the team and there are other options for his partime role and OAK could have more need for him now and value him more than he is in STL.
They need to replace some slugging lost in Ozuna. They need LH bats. I’m not saying my hypothetical idea is the best out there or they could do. But this current OF looks shakey at best and cost effective to ownership that said they aren’t spending anymore money. I’d rather have Edman everyday at 2B than Wong. I’d rather have Pederson than O’Neill especially in a win this season situation. Stripling as the long man vs Ponce is whatever. And clear out Martinez money and question marks while adding 3-4 prospects for the future or a other trade.
1)Wong and Poncedeleon to Oakland for some minor league pitching.
2) Hou gets: Martinez, O’Neill, Capel from STL
LAA get: Reddick and cash from HOU
LAD get: minor leaguers from HOU and another from LAA
STL gets: Pederson, Stripling, Raley, maybe a minor leaguer too from LAD
Wong alone covers the Pederson and Stipling money. Martinez clears money and future money for other flexibility, Arenado maybe…
Fowler – LF (S)
Pederson – RF (L)
Goldschmidt – 1B (R)
DeJong – SS (R)
Carpenter – 3B (L)
Edman – 2B (S)
Molina – C (R)
Bader – CF (R)
Miller-UTIL(L), Munoz-UTIL(R), Thomas-OF(R), Ravelo-1B/LF(R), Weiters-C(S)
Flaherty, Mikilas, Hudson, Kim, Wainwright
Stripling, Reyes, Webb, Gant, Brebbia, Helsley, Miller, Gallegos
If Bader struggles then Raley/Thomas platoon in RF, moving Pederson to CF, or Carlson could be possibilities. Thomas can get AB in RF with Pederson too who struggles vs LHP.
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Carpenter, Munoz, O’Neill, Martinez, Wieters
Flaherty, Hudson, Mikolas, Wainwright
Martinez, Gallegos, Miller(L), Gant, Brebbia, Helsley, Webb(L), ???
I think I actually lean towards Fernandez for the 8th pen spot. Wacha isn’t a reliever. Cabrera hasn’t shown much. Poncedeleon hasn’t pitched since 9/7. I like Leone when he’s “on”, but that hasn’t been very often in 2019. Mayers hasn’t been getting outs, or game action in 2 weeks.
I usually have the volume pretty low doing other things while watching. But when I am forced to pay more attention I hate it.
I can’t stand Dan. His calls are awful and forced and he loves himself more than anything. He made a comment not to long ago about long nights at a bar. And I could only wish for another OWI so maybe they would get rid of him.
Edmonds gets a little dry at times. But he’s by far the best to listen to they have. He sounds unsure of himself at times and hopefully that gets better the more he does it.
Horton is ok fill in, but I don’t want him all time time. I like him more than Thompson, but still only as a fill in.
Thompson is ok fill in and in the studio. But I don’t want to listen to him often.
McCarver has no business in the booth. He is the worst color commentator in baseball since Joe Morgan hung it up.
Al is better than McCarver, but not saying much. He doesn’t need to be in the booth either.
I know Chip Caray takes a lot of heat about being the grandson of Harry and son of Skip and that he’s not that good. But I listened to him today vs. the Nationals and he blows Dan out of the water. Even being a former Cubs announcer he was also bashing the Cubs a little today and claiming St. Louis as home. People across the nation are hard on Joe Buck, and maybe I’m a bit of a homer with him, but I’d take him any day over Dan. He’s not Jack and never will be, but he’s not as bad as the heat he takes. Another guy who takes to much heat former cardinals announcer and another st. Louis raised, Bob Carpenter. Any time I hear him I think how much better he is than Dan.
I think any announcer takes a lot of heat, but it seems anytime I watch another teams broadcast I’d rather have their announcer than Dan.
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I don’t know if Gyorko should have been traded or not. There are lots of questions around Carpenter right now and the depth could have been needed. My biggest problem with the trade is 2018 deadline deal was Minnesota trading 31 yr old 2B Brian Dozier (.227/.307/.405 $9 million) to LAD for 31 yr old 2B Logan Forsythe (.207/.270/.290 $9 million), OF/1B Luke Raley (AA and a late 20’s ranked organization prospect), and LHP Devin Smeltzer.
LAD got the supposed better player and the salary, sending Forsythe, was a wash. But MIN got 2 guys back with talent and close to ready. Smeltzer was up this year. Raley probably would have been but injured his foot and is out after surgery. He had a strong spring and started off in AAA strong. And after the trade neither played well but Forsythe was even slightly better than Dozier.
The Cardinals traded Gyorko ($8 million, after subtracting SD portion, +$1 million for buyout) for injured Cingrani ($2.65 million) and a 19 year old rookie ball pitcher. I just hope they see something in Abreu because I think Gyorko is in the same mold as Dozier and Forsythe and it sure seems they didn’t get the same return MIN got.
LAD took on about $3.7 million with the buy out in Gyorko and the Cardinals took on about $850,000 in Cingrani. $3 million wouldn’t buy the 2 players MIN got last year for the same type player.
They gave Luke Raley to MIN last year for a rental of Brian Dozier. I know Raley is hurt this year but I liked his upside as a LH power bat playing corner OF and 1B above avg and capable of CF. Let’s hope MO paid attention to that and got something worth while.
I always liked Jedd, but injuries really killed his season.July 31, 2019 at 2:22 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #100132
I don’t know that I’m sold on Boyd, but I heard Smoltz talking about him and he sold me. Smoltz loves him. Not saying he’s right or wrong, but I’ll trust him I guess. I like Gorman more than Montero and they are a level apart. Knizner looks like he can be thr everyday C. Meaning Herrera’s value might never be higher than it is now. So if package them together gets a controllable SP I’d do it. Sosa is out of options and needs a chance and still ranks higher as a prospect. Oviedo will have to be on the 40 man next season but high upside. Which is why I liked Joshua Rojas from HOU. LH AAA utility guy who will have options to go back and forth. Get pitching depth from OAK for Wong. Jefferies has the most upside Dunshee,Howard(MO guy) both are back of rotation types but much better depth than what’s in AA and AAA right now.
That’s kinda how I came up with some of these names and my thinking. I don’t expect any of it to happen but I’d kinda “reimagine” this roster if I was making the decisions.July 31, 2019 at 1:55 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #100121
-Wong to OAK for Jefferies, Howard, Dunshee
-Wacha and J. Martinez to HOU for Joshua Rojas, Johnathan Arauz, ?
-Mayers and Warner to KC for Duffy
-Sosa, A. Garcia, Montero, Herrera, Oviedo to DET for Boyd
– low level guys to MIA for Rojas
Carpenter 3B (hopefully)
Rojas, Munoz, Thomas, Wieters
Mikolas, Flaherty, Boyd, Wainwright, Hudson
Poncedeleon, Helsley, Brebbia, Duffy, Gant, Miller, Gallegos, Martinez
I don’t know that I fully agree with everything I typed, but I’m not a Wong fan and hate Jose floundering around in the OF. I’d love to see another solid starter and view Montero redundant with Gorman and there are questions about sticking around at 3B too. I just threw some names together for the most part but I would love Danny Duffy. I think hes a LH Wade Davis. Mediocre SP but dominant RP. I think he could be filthy. I only say Mayers and Warner for him because of the huge contrat KC said they don’t want to pay down, but it’s only a commitment through next season even if it is 15 million. Hopefully Bader can rebound and take the 8 spot and CF back too.
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Thompson is from the same small Indiana high school as Jeremy Hazelbaker.
I think it will be O’Neill or Munoz who goes out and back to an 8 man pen. I think O’Neill is the one most in need of going down. He’s not going to find AB’s right now at the big league level, but Munoz really isn’t either.
Mayers is going too from the sound of it and probably at least 1 of the OF. Helsley started 4/11, but Cabrera is slated to start today for Memphis. Maybe they give him a chance since Reyes still is showing control problems. Munoz is an easy call up for 1 position player. Beyond that I don’t know where they go. Maybe back to a 8 man pen and bring Gallegos back or Poncedeleon, who last threw 4/12.
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Tommy Pham needed to go, but Pham for Carbrea and Noel Ramirez is just another one of the many trades piling up that look really bad.
Also Williams Perez could easily be cut loose with Chris Ellis back in the system. I’d think Ellis would be in AAA pen, but other moves will have to take place too.
Grichuk got hurt early last year but when he came back from June 3 through the end of the season he had 380 PA, 30 2B, 23 HR, .275/.324/.561. Even playing poorly and missing a lot of the first 2 months of the year he posted a 2.1 WAR
Toronto is banking on hes that player.October 5, 2018 at 8:08 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2017-2018 #71798
I say let all FA walk plus non-tender Bowman and Greg Garcia.
Trade 1) C. Martinez, Weaver, Kelly, Gyorko, J. Martinez for an elite 3B or SS.
Trade 2) Fowler (+4.5 million a year), Sosa, and Mayers to SF for Will Smith and a low level minor leaguer.
SF has no OF at all, possibly could take a chance on Fowler. Smith is in final arbitration year and they have Watson, Blach, and Okert as other LH options. If SF was willing to take all of Fowlers contract I would consider Watson instead of Smith.
Sign: Bryce Harper, a utility IF, and a reliever.
Carpeter-1B, TRADE-3B/SS, Harper-RF, Ozuna-LF, DeJong-SS/3B, Wong-2B, Molina-C, Bader-CF
???, Munoz, O’Neill, Pena
Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Gant, Hudson
???, Cecil, Gregerson, Brebbia, Leone, Smith, Reyes, Hicks
Gomber*, Poncedeleon*, Woodford, Cabrera*
Anybody have a list of minor league FA and options? Webb and Shreve are the main ones I didnt know about options being left. It would be nice if they were able to keep them in AAA for depth.
I’d have Cecil and Gregerson on short leashes and eat the contracts if I had to. Webb, Shreve could serve as the 2nd LH and Gallegos, Greene, Hesley, Elledge could all be in line to possibly take Gregerson spot if need be.October 3, 2018 at 11:36 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2017-2018 #71638
I think the Cardinals match up with Houston because of what they are set to lose. Kuechel, Morton, McCann, Gattis are all FA. After 2019 Verlander and Cole are FA. They have already spent to keep Altuve. Will have to spend soon to keep Springer and Correra, and Bregman not so far off. They Cardinals can offer up from a starting pitching surplus and a top Catching prospect to fill immediately holes. They could probably fill Gattis in house, but their options are unproven and haven’t really produced outside of White. Jose Martinez could be a fit to them. I don’t expect them to trade Bregman, but it’s a nice dream that was put out there.
And I think you’re right, Carp isn’t going anywhere and is set at 1B and the lead off hitter.October 1, 2018 at 8:15 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2017-2018 #71491
Houston is set to lose Keuchel, Morton, McCann, Gattis, Marwin Gonzalez, Sipp, Maldonado all to free agency.
I think they could have interest in Jose Martinez as a cost savings DH.
I know STLCard25 proposed an idea of trying to get Bregman and Corbin Martin(AA) from Houston. I don’t think they would trade him, but the Cardinals could match up well if Houston was willing to come off Bregman. Carlos Martinez, Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Jedd Gyorko, and Jose Martinez could all fit there and fill the holes they will have from free agency. Now if Houston would part with Bregman and a couple minor leaguers for that, or Bregman at all, I don’t know. The Cardinals could still have a rotation of Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Gant, Hudson and still have Reyes, Gomber, Poncedeleon ready and Genesis Cabrera and Jake Woodford not to far behind. Someone mentioned Reyes coming back as a reliever and I think I agree. If they can get a good LH reliever to put with a healthy Leone, Reyes, and Hicks at the back end the pen could be a strength.
“Dejong is a better defender than Bregman, so I’m sure he (Bregman) would stay at 3B.
On your doubt that my proposal would be enough, Bregman will be expensive even in arbitration, and the Astros certainly aren’t going to let Altuve or Correa go. They’re going to need to spend in free agency to restock the rotation. From a cost standpoint, Martinez is a steal for good production. You get him for up to 5 years at known prices (will be cheaper at those years than Bregman at 4 years, in all probability). Kelly is a known commodity. Montero is a top 5-10 prospect for us and likely top 100 overall by next year. Those three are extremely valuable. Fernandez is a lotto ticket.”
Bregman was a SS and only moved to 3B because of Correa. I have little doubt Bregman would be a better SS than DeJong on a full time basis.
I don’t think Houston would trade Bregman at all, even with the financial obligations you talk about, but if they did they will get WAY better offers than C Mart, Kelly, Montero. They’d probably be trying to get C Mart, Flaherty, Hicks, Kelly at least. Bregman is 24, with 4 years of team control, with a 7+ WAR (4th in MLB), .295/.401/.553 with 50 2B and 30 HR. There is no way they are coming off MVP caliber player without recieving a major haul!
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I would love to have Bregman. He’d be the SS and move DeJong to 3B. I don’t see Houston moving him at all and sure don’t think C Mart and Kelly are enough.
Mayers to DL, Leone active, 40 man spot by releasing Sherriff. Didn’t see a word on Wong.
I thought Matheny was fired? Yet here we are with Fat Adams rolling around in the dirt at 1B and hitting clean-up!!
It’s exactly what I said they should do, get something while they can for him. He wasn’t going to play in STL, with or without Martinez. Carpenter needs to stay at 1B and Voit had nowhere to go. It could be a good opportunity for Voit over the next 3-6 weeks while Judge is out.
I mentioned KC before as a landing spot for him because of being cheap and KC 1B options for 2019, but he might get an opportunity in NY for a few weeks to prove himself he wasn’t going to get in STL.
I’d rather have Munoz in RF if Bader is hurt.
Mo was quoted in saying the cardinals wouldn’t tear apart the rotation when asked about Martinez availability. I think that’s the wrong move. I would like to see this roster turned over quite a bit. Something along the lines of:
-C. Martinez, Gyorko, Brebbia to ATL for Austin Riley and 4-5 more prospects.
ATL is looking for a SP, Gyorko gives them another option at 3B and versatility, Brebbia gives them more depth in the pen and comes with options so they can send him down if needed.
– J. Martinez and Norris to BOS for 3-4 prospects. BOS is looking for a reliever. Bradley Jr. has been terrible offensively. Benintendi could shift to CF and Jose or JD could play LF and DH with Bradley Jr. being a defensive replacement.
– Pham and Bowman to CLEV. Clev is looking for OF help and it would be selling low on Pham but I’d take lower level guys in return to try to get better talent. Clev pen has been terrible and Bowman would give more depth and comes with options to send him down too.
– Kelly and Wong to LAA. This is just a guess on a match. Kinsler has been bad and a FA after the year. Wong gives them an option moving forward and gives Kelly a chance to play. LAA system isn’t strong, but if they could get 3-5 prospects, even low level, it could work.
– Voit for something. I don’t expect much of anything in return, but hes not going to play in STL. Get something and give him a chance. KC might make sense and give him opportunity at 1B and DH.
– release Holland. Just give up, move on, and look at future options.
Carpenter 1B, Bader CF, Ozuna LF, Dejong SS, Molina C, O’Neill RF, Munoz 3B, Garcia 2B
Mejia/Tovar/Schrock – IF, Wisdom 3B/1B, Fowler OF, Mercado OF, Pena C
Mikolas, Flaherty, Wacha, Weaver, Gant/ Hudson
Poncedeleon/Gant, Cecil, Tuivailala, Mayers, Lyons, Gregerson, Hicks
Still have Gomber, Helsley (inj?), Webb, Ellis, Greene for some depth
– Fowler and Cecil need to go but nobody is taking those contracts. This MLB team is a step back. But not that much and let’s them look at future options and add more to the system to keep building.
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Grichuk was awful to start the year and then went on the DL. He returned from the DL June 1 and had 2 rough games but since June 3 he is hitting .299/.356/.687 with 5 2B, 7 HR, in 73 PA. His K% had been much lower since then too. He has 2 more hits today, and 2 K, hitting leadoff. He also made a game saving catch to rob Springer of a game tying HR in the 9th a few nights ago.
Carpenter since May 16 is hitting .349/.424/.691 with 16 2B, 12 HR, in 172 PA
Pham since May 16 is hitting .204/.245/.324 with 2 2B, 5 HR, in 151 PA