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It’s a good trade for both teams. TB sheds the money they wanted to shed and got really good return, LAD get a veteran starter they wanted. I would have liked Glasnow in STL, but I would have like Pepiot it STL too. He’s unproven at this point, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see Pepiot actually end 2024 with better stats than Glasnow. He’s good.
Elijah Dunham, NYY, and Devin Mann, KC, are 2 intriguing names to me.
Dunham had a rough year at AAA, but if they are to trade Burlson to get pitching taking a flying on a guy like Dunham to compete for a bench spot with Young could be intriguing.
Mann, can play 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and has hit decent in the minors for LAD before being traded to KC at the deadline, and struggled a bit after the trade. He finished last season with .276/.387/.502 including 42 2B, 20 HR, 79 BB, but 149 K. They are likely to go cheep at back up IF with Donovan being the true “Utility guy” but playing every day, probably starting as DH coming off surgery. So taking a flyer on a guy like Mann could make sense.I haven’t posted in awhile, been lurking around, and normally by now I’ve posted my “ideal” off-season by now but my ideal would be sign Nola and Gray and trade for Glasnow. Have a rotation of Nola, Glasnow, Gray, Mikolas, Thompson. But that’s a LOT of money on SP and think they are going to have to clear money to spend money and I don’t know where they do it.
Who takes Contreras? But if they trade Contreras then Herrera is catcher, which I’d prefer his defense a ton over Contreras even though I’m not in love with Herrera defensively either. But Herrera is by far the best chip they have to land Glasnow.
Who takes Matz? They can non-tender Hudson and Woodford and save a little money, or find takes for them for practically nothing in return. But signing SP or trading for SP is going to take clearing out Matz contract.
So, my “ideal” solution isn’t real clear to how I want to get there yet but,
Wainwright retired, VerHagen free agent.
Trade: O’Neill, Edman, Baker, Gomez, Herrera, Matz, Hudson?, Woodford?, Naughton
DFA: Barnes, Naile, Rodriguez
Acquire: Glasnow (TB), Puk (Mia)
Sign: Nola, Gray, Duvall1. Donovan DH (L)
2. Nootbaar LF (L)
3. Goldschmidt 1B (R)
4. Arenado 3B (R)
5. Gorman 2B (L)
6. Contreras C (R)
7. Walker RF (R)
8. Carlson CF (S)
9. Winn SS (R)Kennedy/Prieto/Saggese- IF, Burleson 1B/LF (L), Duvall OF (R), Kinzner C (R)
Go cheap on back up IF because it’s basically Donovan, but he’ll start the season as DH and then platoon wherever letting that guy DH when he’s healthy and in the field.
Nola, Glasnow, Gray, Mikolas, Thompson
Kloffenstein/Liberatore/Graceffo/?, Pallante, Romero (L), ???, Gallegos, Puk (L), ???, Helsley
40 Man (or is it “person” now) depth:
1B/LF- Yepez, OF- Siani, P- Rom (L), RP- King (L), P- Thomas (L), SP- RobersseI don’t expect it to happen because they won’t spend that kind of money and I’m sure Mo won’t trade O’Neill because he thinks he’s the next Adolis and he likes his muscles.
but at age 26, he probably is what he is
Why don’t people say this about O’Neill and keep thinking there’s more?
Carpenter was 26 when he finally got a chance, how old was Jose Bautista, Skip was 27. Odds are against him, but maybe there’s something.I said Saggese was a RH Donovan as in versatility, smaller stature but with a little pop, speed not really part of their game, but not slow. But Donovan is much better with stike zine recognition and bat to ball still. Saggese, obviously can keep getting better in those areas, but Saggese has an EXTREMELY quick bat and generates pop from that. But he’s going to have more K in his game than Donovan for sure. Can he be a serviceable utility guy? I 100% think so. I’d like to see him get more time ar SS and start to get a little OF time too.
No Naile can’t keep people off the bases too get an opportunity to do it. But they probably won’t anyway. Can’t police yourself anymore.
I’m only watching now to see if they drill Alonzo for throwing Winn’s first hit into the stands. I hope they do.
I remember Olivares wearing 00 and carrying a 0.00 ERA into the season a few starts. I remember Robinson wearing 0, I guess I don’t remember Dean wearing 0.
I know this really doesn’t matter, but it really irritates me Winn is wearing 0. Maybe I’m just getting old.
THE CARDINAL FRONT OFFICE DOES NOT WANT A VETERAN MANAGER! We haven’t had one since 2011 so that should be obvious.
I agree. Mo and Girsh want to build the roster and have a Manger they can tell want to do with them like they are playing OOTP. They don’t want input and pushback.
McGreevy had control, Williams had two out pitches. Who had the higher ceiling?
2 plus pitches without strong command can very easily lead to a career pen arm. Cardinals are notorious for taking the safer route. If that 2 pitch pitcher can develop a 3rd usable pitch and command then they can be a stud, but without those you have a pen arm you took in the first round and looks like a bust.
August 11, 2023 at 6:36 pm in reply to: 2023 StL Game #117: Friday, August 11 at KC (Waino start) #231193Way off topic, but watermelon sure is good after cutting the grass.
Is was after hacking up the golf course this morning too.
August 9, 2023 at 2:31 pm in reply to: 2023 StL Game #115: Wednesday, August 9 at Tampa Bay Rays #231008Is it my imagination or does Goldy swing and miss at an extraordinary rate?
Swinging strike was 9.9% in 2021 ans 2022. It’s 10.5% this season. Chase % is up less than 1%. Contact % in 2021 was 71.6%, 2022 wad 67.7%, and this season is 67.6%. His hard hit % is up slightly from last season too.
Framing, blocking, pitch calling, handling a staff all SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Knizner.
Reminds me of Tyler Lyons
Terrible base running by walker. Missed the bag, never picked up the base coach, then out on the appeal
I highly doubt there are 26 there. Edman, Thompson, Naile probably made it to replace Hicks, Montgomery, Stratton. But doubt replacements for Flaherty or DeJong have arrived. Probably a very limited pen tonight and need Mikolas to eat innings.
“A lot of balls up in the air late and there was some sweating upstairs as to if the deal was going to get done” not an exact quote but close on the Flaherty deal.
Mo has a presser at 5:45, can somebody post a summery.
He basically said “we all know getting pitching was key and we wanted to add more swing and miss arms, but some of the guys fit the more traditional mold”
I based it on fact. He did good, not great on the pending free agents, I think the return for Flaherty was light but maybe the offers weren’t there. But there was no shake up. The value of Baker or Herrera probably won’t be higher, but there was no outside the box thinking. It was essentially just a “we trust our process and got something for what we were going to lose. We think the players we have can contend in 2024 and this season was just a series of a lot of bad luck.”
If it’s the most expensive time to buy then it’s the best time to sell the redundancy on your roster.
I give it a “C+”. Return for Hicks was good, Montgomery and Stratton was OK if Roby is healthy it’s good. Moved DeJong for anything is good. Return for Flaherty was light, but he’s a pending free agent so maybe the offers just weren’t there. But the fact Contreras/Herrera are still on the roster, the fact O’Neill is still on the roster, the fact Baker is still on the roster are MAJOR let downs to me. I’m not disappointed Edman is still around, I like him, but he paired with Flaherty or Flaherty and O’Neill to me would have netted something more substantial and cleaned out a lot of the redundancy on the roster.
This was essentially just trade the pending free agents for what we can and keep doing the same ol same ol. Didn’t step out and make any significant change. So C+ for “standing pat”Drew Rom. He’s trash. He’s ranked in their top 20 I believe but that’s a major let down to me. I’d much rather have Povich or McDermott.
I like Povich and McDermott. I don’t know if they’ll get that good with him.
I hope Povich is included at least. Stats aren’t great this year but I’d take him. I like McDermott too.
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