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I will ask again……..Why will Hicks be monitored? I thought he had recovered from TJ surgery and was ready to pitch last July but instead opted out.
He hasn’t pitched in so long, they’ll need to ease him back into pitching again. Shildt didn’t commit to him as closer in his interview either.February 17, 2021 at 7:57 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2021 #154519
Wowsers. That just set the bar for any future pre-free agency, let alone pre-arb extensions. I can’t imagine going that high for a guy with 1 season worth of plate appearances. A massive gamble by the Padres. Very bold.
I always forget that Kiley McDaniel is now at ESPN, even though I posted their rankings. Lol. I’m of the opinion that Libby will be the best of the current group of Cards prospects, and Arozarena more a solid-above average regular. I do like that they are in on Herrera though.
Lots of good info in here. I was considering starting a thread like this myself. Hopefully the news is all good leading into the 2021 season.
Cool to hear that Arenado is raring to go. I think he and Goldy may provide an excellent example for the young guys (along with Yadi, Waino and Carp) to push everyone to a better year.
Arozarena is 4th in their rankings, and they’ve never been too high on Liberatore (although it’s hard to find too much negative in their scouting report other than that they are low on his 2 seamer and pan his lack of a 4 seamer). It’s safe to say what they think of that trade.
I’d prefer to see Carlson batting in front of Goldy and Arenado no matter what. He’s likely going to have a better OBP than Edman no matter what. I do think Goldenado bat 3-4 in all likelihood. We will see in a couple weeks which way they might be leaning.February 16, 2021 at 10:36 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2021 #154440
Interesting group in New York. Their starting three (Conforto, Nimmo and Smith) are strong hitters but they are lining up defense behind them. Almora is very good. Pillar is still solid and I dunno how Lee (who is a lefty) is but they are getting some right handed ability in there at least. I’m hopeful that we can poach one of their OFs at some point to bolster our offense while maintaining only a single weak link in the defense.
I wish they would put a hard salary cap on what any player can make, or on teams as a whole.
Would you also be in favor of a hard cap on owner profits?
That was a cool tribute. I wish there had been a way to bring Wong back, but sometimes the fit just doesn’t work. Hopefully Kolten plays well in Milwaukee and has much success, just not against our Cards. 😁
That’s good news! Looking forward to your reports on the visit, whenever it is.
For me, O’Neill is the x factor on the position side. I feel like we have a general bead on how most of the position players will perform. O’Neill has a big variance. He could be a replacement level player or he could be an All Star.
On the pitching side, Reyes would be it. Another guy who could provide almost nothing, or be a really good pitcher who can be the difference in October.
That’s so guys can make absurd salaries. Guys like JF can’t see this. They are pricing the game out of the reach of young families. Kids who are playing little league ball, and want to see their heroes. It’s going to catch up to the industry. Already has to a certain extent.
Players make large salaries, as do the owners. I don’t think it’s the players who set the prices for the tickets. As best as we can tell, 40-50% of revenues go to player salaries. What becomes of the rest?
I would like to see ticket prices drop too…but as long as the market holds up, I’m afraid we won’t see any change in that.
Rats, should be on Wednesday the 17th. We are close!
Stay safe there in Indiana. We are supposed to get snow tonight but in NW PA we are used to that (8-20″ on the ground most everywhere now already).
So what do we do, bccran? Limit salaries so that owners can stuff more into their pockets? I’d be more than happy with a salary limit and floor, so long as owners have a profit maximum and there are hard caps on the cost of tickets, concessions, etc to make games for affordable for families to attend.
But this is the time of year for irrational optimism with reality just over the hill and out of sight.
I consider myself a realist about this team. I felt they were an upper 70s win team prior to the Arenado trade and resigning Yadi and Waino. All that pushes them to a true talent mid 80s win team (which is pretty normal for them). Where I think the team will make hay is the down nature of the rest of the division. They will have 4 other teams who are probably not even .500 talent including the Pirates, who are a near certain 100 loss team. That should push them to around 90 wins. Get in the playoffs and anything can happen.
Individually, there are lots of factors than can affect how the team ends up playing. Any number of players could get hurt or play better or worse than we’d otherwise expect and push win totals in any direction. It’s very unlikely that everything will go wrong in every direction (2020 was pretty close) just as it’s very unlikely everything will go right in every direction (remember 2013?).
As for Jack, he looked fine to me last year. Would I expect him to go win the Cy Young this year? No, because unless you’re Degrom that’s just not something to assume. But I would expect him to be the best starter on the staff, pitch 150+ innings (hard to say how many after the truncated 2020) and have an ERA in the low 3s. If the Cards need pitching, I have no doubt some will be available at the deadline and they have some prospect depth to make it happen.
You have to strongly consider trading him for baseball purposes IMHO.
How are the Cards gonna sell that to Arenado, Goldy or anyone else if you trade away your ace pitcher for “prospects” while you are attempting to win a World Series? Slam that window shut and hope for 2025? Remember that the Cubs, the only natural long term rival in the division, are rebuilding themselves and probably won’t be back in contention til 2024 at the earliest. The Cards aren’t the Pirates where you panic and trade away a guy just to get the best offer back.
I think you have to keep Flaherty and let the chips fall where they may after 2023. They may well lose him (although we have all assumed players would leave some situation to move to a “coast” or a “big spender” before and been surprised). The Cards are set up very well in the coming years with their salary structure. If they can’t throw money at Flaherty, they will throw the money elsewhere.
The worry, 25, is if he’s anti
ownership he could try to influence other players into that anti ownership mode. Would that be good? If you were running a company would you want that?
I don’t think it’s good or bad. I would imagine that most players have their minds made up as to whether the compensation structure of MLB is fair or not. I don’t have any problem with a guy having a chip on his shoulder when he’s providing 5-10x the value he’s being paid. Heck, we have the all timer of chippy shoulders behind the plate right now.
If you ran a company and told your sales staff…”Well, for three years we will only pay you a small salary and no commission. After three years we will pay you a small commission, but only if you’ve done great work the first three. After that you will be free to make better commissions”…would you expect exceptional sales people to be thrilled with that arrangement? Most especially if it was in some sort of line of sales where there was a cap on how long you could effectively sell it, so your younger staff were by far the best sellers. I don’t blame Flaherty or anyone else for griping about the system, even if as a fan I’m always interested in how the costs impact the on field product.
Trading your ace pitcher while you are trying to contend would be the most brain dead move any team has made in a long time. I could see it if the Cards were punting on the next few years, but there is absolutely nothing that has shown that Flaherty is not a team player. He may be anti-ownership but that doesn’t make him a “me first” player.
There was hope that his glove would come along enough to make his bat playable at catcher. That does not seem to have happened. It’s not his fault…no doubt he will play hard and provide all he can for the team, and hopefully he has a chance to prove all the naysayers wrong. But no teams will start a catcher who’s a below to well below average defensively unless the bat is extremely good. Knizner projects to be more average overall, a good hitting catcher but not a guy you sacrifice defense behind the plate for.
Another casualty of 2020…base running. Per Fangraphs, the Cards were 18th in the majors in base running in 2020 (which would include steals vs caught stealing, first to third on hits to the OF, tagging up, scoring from 2nd on singles, etc). In 2019 they were 2nd in the entire majors. In 2018, 3rd. Losing Wong and adding Arenado may hurt slightly, although not a huge amount.
It’s not as big a deal as pitching or hitting, or even defense, but the Cards could and maybe should be very good or better on the base paths in 2020. The rest of the division is hardly a bunch of juggernauts, so even average pitching, below average hitting and very good defense and base running should put them solidly at or near the top of the NL Central. And that’s the realistic worst case scenario. Best case is top 5 pitching, defense and base running with a middle of the pack offense. That’s a team that can win the Series with some decent luck and timing.
Knizner has no future in any organization as a long term starter. His best hope is for robot umps to come along and make catchers who are solid hitters more en vogue. He’s a decent guy to have around for emergencies, but bat first catchers are rare unless they can really hit, like Gary Sanchez or better.
Yes exactly. And for some reason these 2020 pitching performances should not be discounted as with the offensive side of things?
So if we discount them, where do we go? In 2019, they were 2nd with basically all the same pitchers. 6th in 2018. I see nothing that says that things should change dramatically. Again, it seems you expect decline when there’s not really any reason to think it should happen.
The Cards were 4th in the league in ERA last year with well over 10% of the innings taken up by guys who had no reason to even be pitching in St Louis under normal circumstances (Oviedo, Elledge, Woodford, Crismatt, Sanchez, Kaminsky, Ramirez, Meisinger, Cruz).
I have far less concern about the pitching than the offense. There are a lot of quality arms. Flaherty never left form unless you count that one start against Milwaukee that would have been papered over in a normal year (remember how he mowed down the vaunted Padres lineup in October? Yeah, he’ll be fine). Mikolas, Kim, Waino, Carlos, Ponce, Reyes…all have some question marks, sure. It seems like your “expectation” is decline, not staying steady, BB. While it’s possible, of course…is it really likely?
One change we will likely see…the Memphis Redbirds went from one of the best hitters leagues in all of the minors to what will be, at best, neutral, and possibly a heavily tilted pitching environment.