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July 13, 2022 at 10:44 pm in reply to: 2022 Cardinals MLB Game 91 thread – Wednesday, July 13 vs. Dodgers #191192
I said two months ago that Gallegos is not a 9th inning guy. Looks like to me that he is overthrowing trying to be the closer. He was never as wild and particularly as wild high like he has been lately. As an 8th inning guy he had good command of the strike zone and kept the ball down. Fastball more 92-94 but he winging it at 95 trying to close.
Mo’s bullpen crew of castoffs has really hurt us this year. Rather see us go with some of our young arms.
I think Shildt got a lot more heat than Ollie has. I think some seriously objected to him because he had no professional baseball experience.
I think our amateur scouting has been overall good. But our scouting of other major league systems seems to be pretty weak and pretty wrong most of the time.
I am a little concerned about Ollie’s two inning use of our closer. Over 30 pitches last night so I suspect he is not available for tonight.June 13, 2022 at 7:30 am in reply to: 2022 Cardinals MLB Game 61 thread – Sunday, June 12 vs. Reds #187781
The umpire really hurt us. He made two terrible strike calls against Knizner who then struck out with the bases loaded. Not sure I would have pinch hit for Knizner that early in the game. You can have your players looking over their shoulder with that kind of moves. Also you have to ask if you want to use a key pinch hitter that early. If Goldy was not available then is Molina or Sosa that much better. I think they are better but neither are tearing the cover off the ball.
Again the umpire struck later in the game when he called a strike on a clear ball four pitch to Bader which would have loaded the bases for a pinch hitter for sure in that situation.
The reason I feel that Gallegos is not a strong closer is that when he has an off day you can lose a 2 or 3 run lead. That doesn’t happen with closers like Chapman and Hader and other strong Cardinal closers in the past. They give up one run and occasionally two but not 3 or 4.
Probably also has something to do with the pitchers wanting a specific role. I would buy into Helsley being a earlier inning distress guy if we had a strong closer. My feel is that Gallegos is an adequate closer but not much above that level.
Does anyone know how Winn is rated defensively.April 5, 2022 at 11:12 am in reply to: Your BOLD predictions for the 2022 St Louis Cardinals #181834
I usually don’t do this. Not afraid to predict but usually find the thread either severe depression or homerism.
I think we will have a good year with at least 90 wins. Position will depend on how much the other teams have improved and I have not followed them enough to predict.
We have the top defense in the game and solid hitting power except we have a pitcher’s ball park.
We potentially have a lights out bullpen with Hicks, Gallegos, Cabrera, Helsley Pallante (real sleeper but great upside), and the vets.
Starters depend on a healthy effective Flaherty and Hudson. Mikolas, Matz and Waino will be steady. Expect Waino to be more 50/50 this year. Woodford a sleeper.
Hitting will be inconsistent again with coach Alberts loft and pull strategy. I believe Arenado and DeJong will alter their approache a bit and be more productive. Albert who seems to be an emotionally driven guy should have some good moments particularly in the first half. Dickerson a solid utility guy. Expect some help from the group of Nootbar, Gorman, Walker, Donovan and Yepez. Sosa, Edman and DeJong should be at least adequate in the middle and above average defensively. Expect Goldy, O’Neill and Bader to be close to last year. Could get something of a breakout from Carlson.
Don’t think we have the horses to win it all, short of a very hot spell at the right time. Mo will not make the moves to put us over the top. He will go for the Happ, Lester types and will not be as lucky as last season.
I think Marmol will do fine. How much real authority he has is now a question in my mind. Didn’t feel that way with Shildt but obviously was wrong when a winning guy gets fired because he wanted a different batting coach. Think we will always be just above average with Mo in charge.
I will be a Cardinal fan forever but I am a little subdued now because of the fireing. I wish Marmol much success and will be rooting for the Cardinals to win ever game.
The firing tells me that Mo is intent on running the team. He has to be when he will not allow a manager to choose his own coaches. You wonder how much influence Mo had on how Garcia, Arozarena and others were used before sending them off to rookie all-star years with other teams.
I have always liked him. Tough out. Just hope he hasn’t had his last good year.
If Bader falters he can go to left field and O’Neill or Carlson to center. May be a way to go against the tough left handed pitchers.
There have too many deals where the Cardinals have signed older players coming off a down season hoping they can come back. Problem is like in the signing of Miller he was out there when another better younger pitcher could have been getting innings. When Miller was good he was pretty good but when he was bad he was just awful and we lost too many games because of him. Same with Cecil except he was never very good and Holland.
Hope Wittgren is an exception.
I was hoping for the electronic stike calls and maybe something to do with the shift. Glad to see 9 innings coming back. Also getting rid of the runner at second base to start the extra innings.
Like the 3 game playoff in the first round.
Don’t see much to help the underpaid players.
Suprised to see the possibility of an international draft.
It would be insane to offer you final offer immediately. That would establish the offer as one that would require further concessions unless both sides started with a final offer. An then it would not be final.
An international draft would fix a lot of abuse. Of course the Latin players would object to one and the rest of the players will go along with that. Like most other things the wide open international scene mostbenefits the fat cats. Yankees, Red Sox, et al.But I feel that the game would be better off with an international draft.
I spent a career mostly in human resources which game me a unique picture of both the management and employee view point. Generally a good number of persons had difficulty understanding the other point of view. I don’t have enough information to know if one side is more unreasonable than the other. Most Americans will naturally support the employees. Hollywood and the media does a good job of villifying management.
Some have been quite critical about the teams records not being public. Private companies do not show their records. While MLB teams may not want to show their real finances so the players will not demand more there are other reasons for staying private.
Most companies go public to raise money to expand and develop new products. Also it is a significant pain to go public and sell stock because of government regulations and red tape. Small companies used to go public early but of late they can’t afford to until they are big enough to handle the extra cost and manpower to navigate the regulatory system. The retail investor like many of us don’t get the chances to cash in on a new company going public as they did when Apple and others went public. I really don’t know why Atlanta became a public company. Major league teams are not expanding. They just wiped out my minor league fun with their contraction which took Johnson City out.
One of the big companies still private in Chick-Fil=Et. I would jump all over a chance to invest in that company. Somehow they have managed a massive expansion without going public.
Was Albert worth what the Angels paid him? Was Carpenter, Fowler, etc. worth what the Cardinals paid for them?
I don’t think the last contract favored the owners that much. Some wised up and quit overpaying players who had reached and in many cases passed their peak years. I don’t see how that will change no matter what the contract calls for.
The unfairness is that pre-free agency and particularly pre-arbitration players are often underpaid compared to thier contribution. And that players are paid the minimum wage for multiple years no matter how good they play. And that some minor league players are paid so little that their diet is often unhealthy fast food. And finally in the end the fans pay the price and will do so until the price becomes too much to bear.
A large contribution to the unfairness is the huge contracts some free agents get and I’m not sure the players association doesn’t want to keep them and increase the younger players pay. That is sort of hoping for the best part of both ends of the equation. I have no problem with players capitalizing on their talents and getting what some owners will pay them. That is our economic system and however flawed it is still the most successful out there. The owners have control over the size of the contracts in the end but some understandingly cave to avoid fan displeasure. If you don’t think that is prevelant just look at the chat pages during the season. However, some are not too smart and others have so much revenue they don’t care if they have several bad contracts laying around.
You have to ask yourself who could we have signed or traded for had so much not been tied up on Carpenter, Fowler et.al. Further question would be would our management team use the money.
Again isolated stats possibly intended to mislead. Nasdaq has averaged around 37.15% growth the last two years. The S&P has been a little less. The Dow only has 30 companies so is usually ignored in evaluating the market performance.
If the Cardinal payroll was 150 million and that represented 45% of their revenue then there is 55% of the revenue left for operations. The Cardinals have to have less than 18% cost to exceed the performance of Nasdaq over the last two years.
With the Covid shutdowns there is a good chance that their cost for management, scouting, stadium, parking spaces,spring training, minor league operations and other costs exceeded that. So Manfred can make a good case.
However, it is just another case of using selected stats to support a bias. Unfortunately only management knows the true figures and their reluctance to open their books leads one to suspect that they are doing better than they would admit. So we fans are isolated from the facts to determine what a fair settlement would be.
Maybe a bonus pool of a certain percentage of revenue to reward for performance of non-free agent players could level the playing field. You could also tie increse salary of the same players. Performance could be based on WAR which seems to be the best tool available however inacurate.
You cannot assume operating success from percieved value of the organization.
Apple is one of the most successful companies. Their profit percent for the trailing 12 months is 26.5% and that is real high for any enterprise. My wife and I have 6 grandchildren for whom we have established custodial college funds. 11 or 12 years ago when we established the funds I purchased Apple stock for each of them. Today those Apple stocks are worth more than 1300% higher than when we purchased them. The perceived value of Apple has increased that much. Their 3 yr average profit percent is 27%. They are projecting 8% for the current year.
Having said that I don’t believe the owners or many of the players are really that hard up. TV has changed that. And focusing on things other than the real problems are preventing them from being corrected.
1) Overpaid players who got a lucrative deal after free agency. Certainly some intangible value there but they are being paid much more than they are contributing. Love Arenado but did he contribute 60 times more than O’Neill in 2021?
2) Underpaid young stars and some getting near minimum salaries all the way up to arbitration.
3) Minor league salaries
4) Cut back in minor league franchises taking away pro baseball from smaller markets. That could result in continued fan interest.
Baseball is my favorite game and I only want what is best for the game. Fat cat owners and players making over 30 million a year doesn’t do a thing for the young players earning much less than their contribution.
5 Big market advantage. The Dodgers scooped up Turner and Scherzer for the playoffs. Could the Cardinals have won that game if they had not.
6 Fans have only one recourse. Stop attending games and stop buying TV packages.
Good example of flawed economic thinking by Weaver. All 30 MLB teams would have to sell for you to draw the conclusion that they would average 669% growth. Also you have to consider how much prestige of owning a professional sports franchise goes into the bidding to buy one. Most of those people are big ego people with lots of money.
The fact that the teams don’t go public and show their real profit indicates that none of them are really hurting. Also I don’t care for Manfried and not sure I trust any thing he says. Also he could provide details where concessions worth 100’s of millions have been made. That would make his statements more believable.
Example of selected stats to suppor probable bias. The only way solutions to problems become clear is to look at the whole picture and consider best solutions. Our culture has moved sharply away from doing that possibly due to the internet where everyone can pose as an informed expert.
I’m not advocating that anyone gets less. In this day and age only if fans stopped coming and stopped watching major league baseball on TV would the cost of attendance go down. One of the major problems in the world is greed and we probably all have a bit of that in our DNA.
If salaries went down the only possible benefit to the fans would be a slower increase in costs. So I agree with Brian that the fans will always be the bottom line victim.
However, there could be changes that would alleviate the benefit to the most fortunate of the current system. The owners because of TV and particularly the big market owners. And secondly, the high paid players. Something like a progressive minimum to players before arbitration kicks in. Say an increase in minimum to players with a certain number of major league service and there could be several steps.
Also earlier free agency to players based on performance. Something like WAR to determine eligibility. I have always believed in “pay for performance”. Would probably tie that to a clause that would allow a team to match the free agency offer.
And I still believe that minor league salaries should be tied to overall increase in revenue. Something like owners 47%, players 47% and 6% of the increase in revenue go to raising minor league salaries. Not saying I believe that should be the percentages. Just an example.
Also, I don’t know how TV revenue is allocated but maybe a total pool divided in some way among the 30 teams. One of the reasons that the LA teams can spend so freely is a lucrative TV contract.
And I really hate to miss my trips to Burlington, NC and Danville, VA to watch Johnson City play. I’m not sure that move will benefit the game. Probably a boon to independent baseball though.
Agree with the basic concept of younger players getting the short end of the deal. Even though the Cardinals paid Albert well above the minimum in his pre-fre agency years I always thought his salary rediculously low. Possible reason for his defection to Los Angeles.
Several missing bits of information and unfortunately some like profit levels are not available.How much have team profits increased. Also how the current system favors the big market teams and how do you fix that.
Also no information on the effect of the system on the fans. How much has the cost of attending a game gone up in the same time period. Also how about having your favorite player gone to the big money teams. I don’t believe in the old system before free agency. Unfortunately, the owners exploited that system and the Cardinals Sam Breadon was one of the major exploiters.
Also what is the inflation of the minor league players salaries during the same period. How about a deal where minor league salaries are tied to revenue growth.
IMHO the losers in the current system are the fans, the young stars and the minor league players. Also the minor league owners. Television has made the owners and the high paid players with free agent contracts much richer. The minor leagues were much more robust when the fans had to go to their local ballpark to see baseball. Of course I among most would not want daily TV access to Cardinal games go away.
Unfortunately, the total picture is not available or unwanted. In this day and age people seem more inclined to base their opinions on only the information that supports their bias. Until that changes the hope of the best and fairest system is probably beyond our reach.
It is good to see the Cardinals change from their older lower priced International signings. Scouting has improved to the point that if a player is highly rated they have a chance to be good. If they can land a top Cuban it would be great.
The old system results in the Cardinals having none of the 20 plus international players in the MLB and BA top 100 prospects. Our top guy seems to be Herrera supposedly an offense first catcher who didn’t have a great offensive year in 2021.
We will not see serious negotiating until just before the deadline. Works that way in all labor negotiations.
I could be wrong but I have felt that the majority of the participants on this site generally are in favor of the players.
I think it interesting that many laud the players for using the economic system for getting a huge contract but on the other hand many hammer the same system when a brilliant CEO of a company that provides great products and many good paying jobs earns over a million dollars a year.
I am generally pro business but in this case I don’t have a favorite. Only the fans have anything to lose in these negotiations. Any significant increase in player cost will just be reflected in ticket, concessions and other game costs. Further, earlier free agency will benefit the big money teams a little more. Not good for the Cardinals but they don’t usually dabble much in huge contract negotiations.
I don’t think either side can afford an extended strike but somethimes these things really get out of hand.
If we don’t have a major league season I will enjoy lots of minor league games.
McGeevy for #10. Barring a trade Donovan is not going to crack the infield. He is not a shortstop and he is not going to get ahead of gorman. I do love his stats and progress through the system. So far Baez has been all talk.