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I have been critical of Cardinal hitters for taking close pitches for called third strikes and swinging at so many pitches out of the zone. And for not fouling off borderline pitches like the best teams seem to do.
So I charted tonight’s game in detail; Results.
Cardinals only swung at 5 bad pitches tonight. Four were fouls and DeJong grounded out on the other one.
Only six strikeouts with only one (DeJong) called. Seems like he and Carpenter are always 0-2 after the first two pitches.
Cardinals fouled off 17 pitches with two strikes on the hitter. Reds had 12 with Lorenzen 5 of them.
If this is new style hitting I am all for it.
We caught one of the best young pitchers on an off night where his command was bad. I suspect we get Bauer Sunday. Would be tough.
Great to be in first place alone again. Have to start beating the good teams.
If I recall accurately Fowler was losing playing time when he went on the DL, now the IL. I think Shildt had to give him an opportunity to get the job done, particularly considering the rumored conflict between he and Matheny.
Fowler’s defensive WAR was .3 in 2016 and he was below 0.0 6 of 9 years. I did a look at defenders when it was evident we were shopping for a center fielder. Both he and Ozuna who was playing center field at that time looked like poor solutions to me.
He seems to be weak on getting a good jump on balls in front of him.
We clearly have one of the best infields in the game with Edman, Dejong, Wong and Goldschmidt. I do feel that Carp is playing better defense than he did in his previous stints at 3b.
I am more concerned with Carps offense. He is striking out way too much. He still gets a key hit now and then but not nearly enough.
I feel that Carp has always been an overachiever, the kind of player that usually fades away in their late 20’s and early 30’s.
With Ponce it is just a matter of command. I am amazed at the pitches he gets away with when his command is good. He must be hard to pick up. Good hitters miss 93 mpr fastballs right down the middle and when he is hitting the edges of the zone he is lights out.
We were swinging at everything but strikes last night. Usually watched the strikes go by, particularly disturbing with runners in scoring position. Good hitters foul off two strike pitches close to or in the zone.
I am not critical of using Weiters as the pinch hitter. He has had a number of clutch hits this season. And a vet is usually more reliable in those situations.
I can hardly be critical of Shildt’s use of the bullpen. They have probably been our best group this season. Actually I was suprised to see him use Helsley last night. He was pretty much up and down in AAA this season with marginal command. Possibly he could have used him more in blowout situations but we haven’t had many of them lately thanks to our offense.
I hope last night was not an example of modern hitting.
The attraction for rookies playing is universal. We are always looking for a new guy to be better than the player in place.
I was not a fan of the Fowler signing. He was not a good defensive player in that chummy Wrigley outfield and it seems to me that a lot of fly balls drop in front of him.
He has at times this year been productive at the plate. Works walks well, occasional power and even a few key hits. A rookie may look better with a short stint but rookies are often overexposed just as our young pitchers cratered in the final 6 games last year after contributing to our hot August run.
Edman is an interesting case. He goes well for a spell and then drops off, then gets it going again and another drop off. Looks like he is adjusting to the adjustments against him. Some players never adjust and it is back to AAAA.
I like Munoz. He is a junkyard dog. Always tougher late in the game. Appears to me that he is a better outfielder than infielder. But has been better on the infield this year. Curious how he will end up.
He gave the Memphis team fits when he was at Nashville.
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Carlson should carry his average to higher levels because of his plate discipline. Also good prospects often do better as they are moved to higher levels.
If he does well at Memphis and has a strong spring training he could be the starting center fielder for the Cardinals in 2020.
Message to Bader and Garcia. Get those strikeouts under control.
The best deal heading is for trades. You are right they were both acquired in trades.
I agree about Tommy Pham, Mercado, and Voit. Last years deadline deals. May turn out to be very bad trades. Hard to tell now because so many of the players we got have so much career ahead of them. To date only Gallegos paying off at the major league level.
Actually I tagged the Cisek deal mostly because he didn’t do well for the Cardinals and then went on to have some pretty productive seasons with other teams. And Barraclaugh did have some good years with Miami. Would he have ever made the Cardinals. Hard to tell. Maybe a reach here on my part.
One thing in Mo’s defense, the strong pitching in the minors until recently probably had much to do with them dumping veterans. Roster restrictions and danger of losing the good young arms if not added to the 40 man roster.
Will post the trading deadline and prospect trading segment later this week.
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Can someone explain the difference in old school and the modern approach to hitting?
My observation is that the hitters seem to be having the same problems this year as they had last year. Taking a lot of fat pitches and swinging at a lot out of the zone.
Reality is that if there is conflict between a supervisor and their assistant the assistant goes unless there is significant fault with the supervisor.
I suspect many players suffer from anxiety because of the high stress environment. Carpenter’s anxiety must be at an all-time high with his minor league performance.
It appears that Munoz has a much stronger arm and more speed that Carpenter. I think his best defensive position is right field. The thing I like most about him is his competitiveness. He gets a lot of important hits late in the game and a lot off 2 strike counts.
I said at the end of last season that the Cardinals should trade him to someone who thinks he will his 36 home runs again. Since we extended him it appears that we are the only team that thinks that may happen.
Carpenter has been an overachiever. He used to thrive on getting on base and a relatively high average. Then he became a home run hitter well beyond my expectations. He seems to have worked hard to improve his defense and was becoming a pretty good first baseman and it appears to me that he has been better at third base this season.
He seems to be a bit inflexible. He has not adjusted to hitting anywhere but first in the lineup. He seems to be both trying to walk and also hit with power. Consequently he is consistently behind in the count 0-2 and often either fans by swinging at a bad pitch or taking a called strike. It appears that pitchers know he is going to take pitches early in the count trying to take a walk. He also whines a lot about the umpires calls, often he is wrong. I believe it was once reported that he has more out of the zone strikes called against him than any other player. Umpires do remember.
Now the Cardinals have a dilemma. He does not look good swinging the bat even in AA. Edman and Munoz have made valuable contributions to the Cardinal post all-star run. If they bring him up now and he bombs and the Cardinals fade, management is going to have a hard time explaining. It appears they are extending his rehab, hoping that he will catch fire.
Can’t let a pitcher like Cole get a lead. Much less a big one. Ump hurt Ponce with borderline calls particularly low ones.
Still better than the guy last night.
Right Mrperkins it was Perdomo.
Actually I started to write a book about Cardinal GM’s/Owners in charge of player acquisition. Have a lot of the data up to Jockkety. Need to add WAR. Probably will not finish it.
The Sox probably had Robert in the bag long before he signed. That is unfortunatly how the Latin scene has been working. I for one will welcome the draft if it comes. However, the way the training centers work you will still have those strong bonds that seem to be developing as early as age 12.
I agonize at Garcia’s strike zone problems but don’t want to see him in another team’s uniform. The guy is a genuine 5 tool potential. Sometimes the consistency never comes but if it does in his case you are looking at a potential superstar.
Ray has always been tough on us, but why would Arizona want to move him? They are still in the hunt for a wildcard.
If Gallegos can duplicate his performance in the 9th with the game on the line he certainly is the most effective bullpen guy we have now. But the ninth in a save situation is a different animal.
He has done well in some very tense situations and that is a good sign. I still like Martinez as a closer. He can’t stand prosperity but when he needs to he makes the pitches to get the outs he makes the pitches.
Another thing I like about Gallegos he doesn’t throw a lot of WAZ’s (Way out of Zone) and gets a lot of SOZ’s (Swings out of Zone). Most young pitchers including Flaherty and Hudson throw a lot of WAZ’s which do nothing but elevate their pitch count. Gallegos seems to be an exception but he is also older and more experienced.
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A key question to me is whether Mo has even given up the GM responsibilities since Girsch was appointed.
If we miss the playoffs again a temporizing move would be to can both Girsch and Shildt.
Yes I included WAR as included in the Baseball Reference. I will include things such as best deals which at this time looks like Holliday in terms of WAR received vs given up.
I guess I am into winning too much. I know that is not the ultimate goal in the minor leagues. The Big Red Machine in Cincinnati was built on a mediocre minor league system with some exceptional individuals.
I compiled a data base of all of the Cardinal’s transactions since Mo was named General Manager in October of 2007. It includes all transactions except for amateur free agents. It is complete up to the all-star break. I am in the process of analyzing the data. I will post the information within the next week. Not sure whether to put it on this thread or create a new one.
The minor league teams have been devastated with injuries. What was supposed to be a very strong team at Memphis has morphed into a team with poor pitching, particularly in the pen and a fair number of guys that should still be at AA if not A.
One pitcher that I have been taking note of is Kodi Whitley who earned his 6th and 7th save for Springfield at Amarillo the last two nights. The Sod Poodles scoreboard show him throwing 97-98 fastballs with a breaker in the high 80’s. Those guns are often a bit fast but when I look at his career he has been consistently good.