2026 Draft

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  • #312981
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    Just be happy and quit complaining.

    #312983
    1982 willie
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    No thats the beauty of things, i dont have to. Of course you coukd just not read my post.

    #312984
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    All that lead up to the draft. And now it all boils down to wait and see in a couple of years.

    #312985
    1982 willie
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    Tis true mudville. I think it will be a few more for some but we will see. Since i wrote down all the picks and basic info on them this year, im gonna try and keep up with them.

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    Willie said

    They did get some decent guys vut when ypur draft includes guys not ranked in top 500, that has to take away from your draft regardless of why you took them.

    I wouldn’t really look at the BA and MLB draft board and consider them a true measure of talent especially the further down the board you go. Neither employs a full scouting org to come close to even getting fully accurate assessments of players. The talent also drops off massively after a certain point and the difference of #200 and #500 is a minor delta of opinion on what you favor on a guy.

    Teams are drafting based off much more info available on assessments, but also on where guys will realistically go. They have a large amount of intel and a team isn’t going to draft a guy in round 7 for example if he would be available in round 15 aside from maybe a case of saving money. But teams generally have an idea of ballpark round range on guys and the Cards wouldn’t have drafted that guy if at least one other team didn’t have a similar round eval in them.

    Teams also have development staffs that are evaluating these players. Their development staff will help provide input on who to draft on what they think they can do to improve that player. Even first round guys have things to improve, but especially as you go further into the draft guys have a lot more weaknesses. At that point it becomes what does our org think they can do to maximize the odds of this guy being successful.

    #313003
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    I dont know the site but they ranked the cardinals the 4th best draft class. Thats hard to believe. They did get some decent guys vut when ypur draft includes guys not ranked in top 500, that has to take away from your draft regardless of why you took them.

    I would probably put them in the Top 5 this year. I would have preferred they maximized talent by going underslot in Round 1 and then going deeper in the draft with Top 100 guys, but I didn’t expect them to do so.

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    @Albert – you asked whether it was Minasian or Moreno who came up with the Angels’ rush-them-to-the-majors strategy. This article seems to confirm it was Minasian:

    Under former general manager Perry Minasian particularly the strategy was unyielding: draft a polished, low-ceiling college player, rush them to the major leagues in record time, and hope they patch a leaking roster.

    “Since Mo has come in he’s really empowered me to run the room the way I want to run the room,” said Mcllvaine noting that every GM is different. The Angels scouting director explained that Mozeliak did not come to the meeting with noted for the scouts to follow. Rather, he listened to the scouting department’s input.

    This is a huge change from the way Perry Minasian operated the front office. Perry would come in with objectives then trust the scouts to try and find him players that fit certain criteria.

    #313006
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    Thanks for digging that up LA. Sounds like from your quote he should have been fired a long time ago.

    #313008
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    They did get some decent guys vut when ypur draft includes guys not ranked in top 500, that has to take away from your draft regardless of why you took them.

    Also, no team drafted entirely Top 500 guys. The Chicago White Sox had 11, the Tampa Rays had 9, the Cardinals had 8.

    The White Sox and Rays had much larger bonus pools than the Cardinals.

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    The Pittsburgh Pirates also had 11.

    The Dodgers only had 2.

    #313011
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    I liked how the Cardinals draft started, but grew a little frustrated that almost all their pitching prospects seemed to be college relievers who weren’t very good at keeping runs off the board.

    There is some emerging science concerning the effect on the developing physical structures of throwing too hard, too much, too young, and adverse consequences to throwing biomechanics going forward. Just as a general thought, there could be some idea that the most dominant 18 year old or 21 year old may not be the best bet for long term future performance. A response could be to draft some dominant types and some others who have appealing metrics but whose arm is hopefully not already baked.

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    there could be some idea that the most dominant 18 year old or 21 year old may not be the best bet for long term future performance. A response could be to draft some dominant types and some others who have appealing metrics but whose arm is hopefully not already baked.

    I get that you may want to avoid drafting HS pitchers even if everything but their age says they are the best player on the board.

    However, college relievers are generally guys who couldn’t make the rotation. Most college starters were bullpen guys as freshman, then worked their way into the rotation as sophomores then were the ace or #2 as juniors.

    Drafting college relievers with ERAs over 5.00 is anything but “dominant type.”

    #313015
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    It is possible that the dominant pitchers at the point of turning pro, are those who have been dominant since little league. It is they whose arm may have developed in an abnormal way due to the stresses while bone plates are active and other structures are developing. Some now theorize that this results in altered biomechanical stresses on the structures potentially leading to breakdown, and some theorize this contributes to the rate of pitcher injuries currently. A response could be to try to find some pitchers who have the potential to be dominant but have not damaged their arm already. They would not presently be as good but might offer a better chance of achieving and sustaining success. As I said, this is an emerging line of thought, so one does not have to be a science denier to object to it. As of now at least. Obviously, organizations would just be starting to grapple with it and devise actionable strategies which may or may work and in any case will evolve. I hope the Cardinals are out in front rather than end up dragged kicking and screaming.

    #313025
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    I think bringing science into a draft is a lot like dragging advanced analytics into a conversation. But thats just me. If i was making a draft team, they woukd see physically every single player we might draft. No sight no draft. That means physically,not video and other nonsense. Might cost more money but id rather spend the money there than other places. Analytics and things like that work in spread sheets and people that probably never had any real feel for the game on laptops but ill still take an old man that has lived the baseball lifes opinions over anything else.

    #313026
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    Thats also where the diffetence in the 200 guy and 500 guy comes into play.The lap top may not be able to separate them but the true baseball guys can.

    #313036
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    For whatever it’s worth, Jim Callis from MLB.com rates the StL draft #1.

    “1. Cardinals
    The Cardinals spent two of their top three selections on a pair of high schoolers: outfielder Trevor Condon (first round), who offered the best combination of hitting ability and speed in the prep class and might be the next Pete Crow-Armstrong; and shortstop Rocco Maniscalco (second), one of the youngest players and best defenders available. Tennessee right-hander Tegan Kuhns’ (supplemental first) stuff and strikes made him one of the best college mound prospects, while West Virginia righty Dawson Montesa (supplemental second) is an interesting upside play and UCLA righty Cal Randall (fifth) is a fast-track reliever with one of the best fastballs in the Draft. Central Florida outfielder Andrew Williamson (supplemental second), Texas Tech outfielder Caden Ferraro (third) and Kansas State shortstop Dee Kennedy (fourth) are all proven college performers.”

    And that’s the same Jim Callis who has routinely downgraded, dismissed, and disparaged Cardinal farmhands for 20+ years, going back to his days at Baseball America. So if THIS guy adores their draft, that carries a little more weight.

    But please, I wish everyone would stop talking about Condon & Crow-Armstrong. Yeesh, I’m just about sick to death of that PCA guy — and moreover, it’s unfair to hang that expectation on anyone, much less an 18-year-old kid.

    How about we aim just a little lower? I think the young man’s profile (speed, excellent CF defense, good batting average, and 15 homers a year) is much more like former Redbird Andy Van Slyke. And if Andy Van Slyke is his 80th-90th percentile outcome, that’s damn fine by me.

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    Willie – there is no reason to bring science into the discussion about how large the world is. We should just rely on the sailors who have sailed around it to tell us.

    Seriously, I realize how science seems to take some of the “game” out of the game. There’s a really good reason every team uses it though. It is just a better way to measure talent. You can absolutely screw it up. Data can always take you down the wrong path if you aren’t looking at it in the right way or collecting enough of it. But if you do a good job of collecting and analyzing it, it’s going to bring far better results than the qualitative analysis of several scouts sitting around a table giving their own projections. Just as in my world example above, science can tell you exactly how big the world is even if that scientist could never dream of having the skill or will to sail around it. That doesn’t make either the scientist or sailor better or worse than the other. It just means if they each harness their talents together, they can get a better result in the end. That’s what advanced analytics is trying to bring to the game of baseball and teams that do it well win more and make more money.

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