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I understand, 25. I’ve always been an optimist as far as the Cards are concerned, and especially as far as the prospects. For a long, long time. But what got to me was watching the outfield deteriorate over the past several years. And the outfield for the Cardinals has always been important. Some of our best players over the decades have played out there. When we didn’t resign Ozuna, or get another good player to replace him out there, I felt it was a huge mistake. And I honestly don’t see the ceilings of Thomas, Bader, and Williams being exciting. Carlson will be a
staple and O’Neill has an outside shot.
But when I compiled the stats for all our minor leaguers after the 2019 season, the void of any exciting outfield prospects in the upper 4 levels really got to me.
But when I detract from the good posts of others I recognize the problem. And I’ll do something to stop that. Right now. Thanks for your thoughtful post, 25. Apologies and best wishes to all.
LA has been gulping down that Baderade. He even mentioned Bader as an elite defender like Jim Edmonds. In the same sentence. Jim Edmonds won 8 gold gloves. This place has gone nuts. Bader is a carbon copy of Peter Bourjos. No more, no less.
That’s right, you’re a “brave” keyboard thug. Putting other people down, calling them names, and now insulting their intelligence. You’re out of control, jj. Calm down and act like a congenial adult.
Any keyboard thug who calls people names on a board like this is a “little person”.
Like a little kid on the playground calling people names. The title is appropriate.
Brian – please step into your moderator role and tell this little fellow to follow the posting rules. Thanks.
Mo and Girsch know that Carlson is a fine talent. Ranked #17 prospect in all the minor leagues in 2020. O’Neill and Bader have never been ranked anywhere near that high. And Thomas and Willians have never sniffed the top 100 list. I go along with the experts’ opinions, Forsch. You’re right, I’m only one man.
I don’t consider Dean or Edman part of the equation. In the off season, Mo was counting on a starting OF of O’Neill, Bader, and Carlson. With Thomas and Williams #4
and #5. That’s the group that he rolled the dice with. And the group that’s a train wreck so far. With the exception of Carlson, who’s the sole legitimate long term starter candidate.
Bader – somehow injured his forearm.
O’Neill – pulled groin. Weightlifter.
Thomas – sent down a second time
Thomas – hitting a blazing .193
Carlson has the only legitimate long term potential.
If Bader is the “glue” to this unproven and now underperforming outfield, we’re in
even more trouble than I thought we were in.
Maybe their swing planes, launch angles, barrel rates, and exit velocity are fine. They’re just having trouble hitting.
I’m not picking a fight. I’m drawing from articles written about his D.
Question – why wasn’t he at least a finalist if his D is so elite?
Bader’s defense is overrated. Can’t go back well, so he plays deep. Wasn’t even close to earning GG last season. The finalists in CF for the NL were Acuna, Bellinger, and Grisham. HB’s far from elite. Playing too deep, he’s forced to make those lunging catches coming in.
Yadi relies on reflexes and muscle memory.
He’s not up there thinking about “the 7 steps to the perfect baseball swing” the younger players get caught up in.
No “Bader hate”. Just reality about one of our outfielders. The same reality can be applied to most of our unproven outfielders.
Yadi has a style the youngsters should emulate. See the pitch you want and hit it where it’s pitched. A pleasure to watch.
The young players need to watch Yadi.
He’s wise enough to know that the best pitch to hit may come early in the count.
Plus he doesn’t fiddle around between pitches and overthink. Simple approach comes naturally almost every time up.
Bader’s the glue of the OF? Oh my.
Name 4 outfielders in the upper minors who have as much baseball talent as Liberatore, Thompson, Oviedo, and Rondon.
Wrong. Pitching has good quality in the wings – Liberatore, Thompson, Oviedo, Rondon, etc. No outfielders are close that match that talent.April 17, 2021 at 1:50 pm in reply to: 2021 Cardinals MLB Game 14 thread – Saturday, April 17 at Phillies #158391
Great info, BB. Thanks.
Fix both the rotation and the OF.
Help is on it’s way for the rotation with Kim, Mikolas, Oviedo, Libby, Thompson, etc. Where’s the help for the OF?April 17, 2021 at 1:45 pm in reply to: 2021 Cardinals MLB Game 13 thread – Friday, April 16 at Phillies #158388
CMart had been given more than enough opportunities to start. Give his slot to Oviedo.April 17, 2021 at 12:27 pm in reply to: 2021 Cardinals MLB Game 14 thread – Saturday, April 17 at Phillies #158381
Go get em, KK! If he’s effective it will make a big difference in the rotation.
Carlson has a fairly high ceiling as an all around solid ball player. The rest unfortunately have too many holes in their games. It was telling when Mo said he made a mistake with Arozarena, that it made them re-assess how they value talent, then turned around and lauded the potential of Thomas this off season. His assessment re LT is looking rather foolish right now.
We knew during the hot stove league that the outfield was unproven and the rotation was suspect with 3 of our top starters out. All those question marks still loom.