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It got us a top 100 outfielder. The fact that it hasn’t worked out so far shouldn’t deter the Cards from trying again.
Mike Shildt – what you just saw is called a squeeze bunt.
I didn’t check on those particular players, but the concept seems sound. It’s was applied in getting O’Neill.
I’m for limiting shifts, and for shortening the time between pitches. Batters shouldn’t be allowed to step out of the batter’s box between every pitch and go through a time consuming multi function routine just to get ready for the next pitch.
A poster on another board came up with a novel idea. He took the top 6 rated outfields in MLB and looked for minor league outfielders in those systems who are major league ready. He came up with the following for trade target possibilities.
Alex Verdugo (untouchable?)
Not a bad strategy.
Any guess on who had the best %
of runs produced (runs scored plus RBI per plate appearance) of all the outfielders?
I guess you don’t know much about Shildt as a person. Have you ever met him?
So the reason why Bader is batting 9th is mainly because of the manager? Is Bader a relative, 25?
That goes for you too, Forsch.
You’re kidding aren’t you, 25? If Bader is a better offense player than Edman and Carlson, why was he in the 9 slot?
He’s okay if you have bats in the rest of the lineup. If you’re below where you want to be offensively at 3B and in left and right field, you don’t have the luxury of having HB in CF.
Who gave up on him?
Shot, BW? Naw, just wondering why many have him penciled into CF for 2021 if he has a weak bat and is not as good as many think he is defensively. Now, if O’Neill can settle in, though, we may have something.
I thought some posters said Bader would be a shoo in for at least finalist, if not the winner. Some have referred to him as the best defensive CFer in MLB.
Love the idea, 25! Thank you for sharing.
Okay, so then let’s just have one big thread to deal with all off season ideas. And that will cover all position players plus the rotation, plus the bullpen. And then let’s clarify like 25 wants that we can’t talk about part performance because we’re only talking about the future. Reminds me of McGwire – “I’m not here to talk about the past……..”
So is the purpose of this thread to talk about our young outfielders past performance or about their possible future performance? Or both? I think the poster who started this thread suggested both. Didn’t he, BW? And this thread was started on July 2 vs. the “needs” thread started on October 3. This thread is position specific vs. more general in nature. Just an observation.
I thought I was right on point talking about the subject of this thread. But happy to pose it in a different way, BW. So far, as you said, O’Neill, Bader, Thomas, and Williams haven’t risen to the level hoped for. So going forward, what would you do? Fowler is gone after next year. That gives us an entire outfield to fill in the next 18 months. Sans perhaps Carlson.
Forsch – I’m not complaining so much about the trade as I am about not doing anything after the trade. When the Cards traded Arozarena and didn’t extend Ozuna I said oh oh. Now we need another good bat. And I’m saying the same thing right now.
I really wish I could get on board with Bader and O’Neill. I am on board with Fowler (unfortunately), Carlson, and a good addition for left field. The same I think with with most posters.
BW – the discussion is only because it was trading offense for a very attractive left handed pitching prospect. At a time when we had ranked way down in offense in the 2019 season. And relying on unproven youngsters like O’Neill, Bader, Thomas, etc. going into 2020 to somehow come through. That compounded by no moves at the deadline this mini season. So it’s an appropriate conversation at this point to see if Mo is going to roll the dice with the same guys – especially O’Neill and Bader – going into next season. The fact that O’Neill did get one plate appearance in the Padre series seems to say a lot.
Let’s take a look at some comments on here at the time of the trade –
Rats – “I’d be glad to send Tyler O’Neill and all of his strikeouts to Memphis”.
(Before he knew which player was included in the trade besides Martinez).
Black Hills – “Sad to see Arozarena go because I think he’ll be a better MLB player than O’Neill”.
Forsch – “If, big if, it was the Cardinals choice on either Arozarena or O’Neill to the Rays, count me as disappointed. The Cardinals do not need to keep hitters who strike out a bunch just because they can hit home runs. We need hitters who get on base and Arozarena is that type of hitter. He will also hit around 15 home runs a year.”
25 – I really liked Arozarena and think he will do well in Tampa. Overall I think the chances of getting a star from O’Neill and Thomas are higher, so I’m OK with keeping those two.”
BikeMike – “Glad O’Neill is still a Cardinal. Arozarena will get a shot to play more.”
gscottar – “Sorry to lose Randy but keeping Thomas is the right move.”
1982willie – I liked Arozarena, would rather let O’Neill go unless unless we are using him to get someone better.”
Minuteman – “I know that we have a flood of outfielders, but I will admit that I was hoping it would be the human windmill that would be traded – Tyler O’Neill.”
How about comparing O’Neill at Memphis in 2019 to Arozarena at Memphis in 2019. Fair comparison? Apples to apples.
Do you want to compare O’Neill’s stats when he was coming into his own vs. Arozarana’s stats when he was coming into his own? Have at it.
Try Arozarena’s stats in 2019, when he was coming into his own.
My personal data points were Arozarena’s performance at AAA vs. O’Neill’s. At the time of the trade, I said that I would have traded any outfielder except Carlson and Arozarena. You use your data points for performance, and I’ll use mine. And in my mind Arozarena was a better overall ball player than O’Neill and Bader. Personal choice then, and personal choice now.