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I was wondering why Mo put in all that effort to trade NA to the Astros, only to have him nix the deal. Now it’s a lot clearer. NA pulled a reverse on him. Not good.
KCB –
I don’t think the Cardinals were bound and determined to increase their number of good prospects this off season. If that were the case, they would probably have traded Helsley and
Fedde. They probably think they have some really good prospects already in the system that just need to be developed better.KCB – IMO they got fixated on trading Arenado and finally realized that they weren’t going to both dump a lot of salary and also get a top prospect or two. Perhaps other opportunities were missed during that fixation. But mainly, I think the organization wanted Bloom to have as much flexibility going forward as possible. That also tied their hands, to the consternation of those fans who wanted a big splash or two this off season. Especially with free agents or trades for guys who have fairly long contracts.
The club this season could very well be better than many people think. Depends on if Arenado bounces back and how Walker and Gorman hit. Plus Nootbaar staying healthy.
Members of the St. Louis Cardinals LLC are wealthy. They don’t need the money from a sale. Plus interest in a baseball club is a DeWitt family tradition (Browns, Orioles, Reds, Cardinals).
Two aspects to managing –
1.) The hand your dealt.
2.) How you play the hand.
In response to your rating system for managers, 1toughdominican, I would refer you to Joe Torre’s winning percentage as a Cardinal manager vs. his winning percentage as a Yankee manager.
Winning percentages –
Shildt – .559
Matheny – .555
LaRussa – .544
Herzog – .530
Schoendienst – .522
Marmol – .508
Torre – .4981toughdominican –
If you’re going to measure the W-L % of a manager, please know that Matheny had a better W-L % than both Whitey and Tony.
We have some talented younger players at both the Major League and Minor League levels. A lot of money and effort is going into helping them achieve their full potential. Glad to see it.
He says he likes the city, the organization, and the traditions. He’s signed for 3 more years. If he stays, maybe he’ll have a shot at a ring in 2027. Who knows.
Happy Arenado is still a Cardinal. At least for now. With his contract, and declining 2024 production, his trade wasn’t going to bring back any top prospects anyway. Hope he’s motivated to having an excellent 2025. Seems like he is, from his comments.
I hope Arenado isn’t traded. It would be a decent veteran core of Arenado, Contreras, Gray, Fedde, King, Helsley, Matz, Romero, etc.
LA – Let’s please stop that kind of bickering. It has never had a place on Brian’s forum. Thank you.
McGreevy – Major League ready.
Mathews – Could be major league ready by mid summer.
Hence – Needs to stay healthy and produce at AAA before a call up.
Graceffo – Bullpen pitcher at best.JMHO.
That’s very harsh, KCB, and is again very out of place here, but I’ll have to agree. The very best to you.
KCB – Suggest you find another forum if you want to insult people. It doesn’t play well here. It’s out of place.
Bloom has a 5 year contract. My biggest wonder is whether, in addition to strengthening the pipeline, he can also get Walker and Gorman turned around at the major league level.
To me there’s a really nice core going forward with Winn, Herrera, Walker, Gorman, Nootbaar, Burleson, Mathews, Hence, Crooks, Wetherholt, etc.KCB – I always list both the positives and the negatives re the Cardinals. Have for many years. Best you probably not tell others “what they need to do”.
Every club may want a stronger feeder system, but few clubs have done it well with a limited budget, like Tampa Bay and Cleveland. And some of those guys are now with the Cardinals. That’s an important thing to note, which is “new news”. I really like the new roving instructors who are specialists at various positions like catcher. And the new major league hitting coach who seems to already be gaining some traction with various players.
And your synopsis of the future, jj, might include all the new equipment and guys who have been brought in to raise the productivity of players coming through the system. You might want to highlight who they are, and what impact they had with their former organizations.
