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25 – if you think Bader, O’Neill, and Thomas can have an occasional All Star season, we aren’t on the same page with them. Probably not in the same book. Perhaps not even in the same library. Maybe we should leave it at that. The Cardinals had the makings of a pretty good outfield with Carlson and Arozarena. Now they need at least 1 new outfielder for
2021 and probably 2 for 2022. There are just too many holes in the swings of Bader and O’Neill for me to be enthused about their future here.
Well, sometimes the experts know what they’re talking about. The BA player of the year at the “All AA level” (combined Eastern, Southern and Texas Leagues) in 2019 was our own Dylan Carlson. He was then also rated by BA as one of the top 3 outfielders in the entire minor leagues. The “All Minor League Level”. All organizations included. He just turned 22 last month. He’s just a little different in many ways than O’Neill, Bader, and Thomas. As a side note, at the “All AAA level”, (including the Pacific Coast League and International League) one of the 3 outfielders was named Randy Arozarena. And Mo said in his recent interview that they “missed” on Arozarena and need to assess their talent valuation methods. LOL.
Give Bader a chance? He’s had 1,050 major league plate appearances in 348 games spread out over 4 years. His slash line is .234/.322/.399/.721. Did he improve on 2020? He slashed .226/.336/.443/.779. If you have some really good hitters in the rest or your lineup, you might be able to afford to have a Bader in CF because he’s a decent defensive player. But as of now, he’s no better than Peter Bourjos. Bourjos was the starting CF for the Angels in 2011 and hasn’t been able to hold down a starting job since.
Does Tyler O’Neill have potential? Sure, if he can ever cut down on his Ks and still produce power. In his 450 plate appearances spread out over 3 years, he’s struck out
153 times. In his career, he’s hit .229 with an OBP of .291. Career OPS of .713. Did he improve in 2020? He slashed .173/.261/.360/.621. This is your starting left fielder when you don’t have much pop in the rest of your lineup?
#15 – The player from the land of the big Canal who hit .291 with 5 triples and 17 home runs for Memphis in 2019 in 118 games. Mr. “I don’t get no respect”,
Edmundo Sosa. Versatility at it’s best.
#16 – A pitcher who flew through 3 levels in the system in 2019 with the following ERAs –
Palm Beach – .155
Springfield – .154
Memphis – .148
Mr. Junior (“100mph”) Fernandez
#17 – A starting pitcher who also lacks the respect of posters, even though he tied for the most # of starts in the 16 team PCL in 2019 and was among the leaders in ERA and WHIP. The former ace of the Harry B. Panthers – our own Jake Woodford. Mr. durability.
I don’t want to be unkind, but Lane Thomas was drafted out of Bearden HS (Knoxville) in the 5th round way back in 2014. He’ll turn 26 next August, so he’s really not a “young” outfielder per se. He’s worked hard to get a shot at the major leagues, where in 52 games he’s hit .216 with an OBP of .310. Small sample, sure, but nothing to get excited about. Was indeed affected health wise in 2020. At the AAA level, he hit .270, with 16 home runs in 107 games. Respectable, sure, but not really anything that projects to being a highly productive major league corner outfielder.
He’s had flashes, but nothing you can really hang your hat on. All for him, but also realistic.
The only difference I have with several other posters is that the Cards went into 2020 with an outfield that had an aging veteran and some untested young guys.
They didn’t hedge their bets either in the off season or at the deadline. The result was one of the weakest hitting outfields in the major leagues. An outfield hitting 7th, 8th, and 9th in the order.
You’ve now lost Wong from the lineup in addition to losing Ozuna after 2019. With no significant additions. The team came in last in the major leagues this shortened season in doubles, home runs, and total bases. That’s pathetic.
With a severely declining third baseman, a young second baseman who hasn’t really proven himself offensively yet, a shortstop who fell short offensively last year, and a true question mark at catcher, what do you really have? Only Goldy is a sure bet.
Yes, IMHO the Cards will be looking for some Brad Miller type additions in a glutted FA market. Long term contracts? No (unless it’s with Ozuna). One year contracts or ST invites? You bet.
As a Cardinal fan, I hope the Cards beat the
Cubs every time out. On a personal basis, I hope Jed does well.
Welcome back, BHC! Sorry you had to go through that. Very glad you’re feeling better.
Wong saved $11.5 million. That will be put forth toward Yadi.
Waino will be appearance contingent. They will have room for
several million for a backup outfielder. Maybe several invited to Spring Training, like Tomas just was. Mo will be hunting for bargains.
No, Scotty, but Brad Miller was paid only $2 million in 2020 by the Cards. With what’s on the FA market now, and additions coming up in December, there are going to be a lot of options available in a depressed compensation market this off season.
If the Cards added some low cost depth/insurance last season with Brad Miller, wouldn’t it fall to reason that they will add some low cost depth/insurance this year at 3B and in LF? Who are the most logical FA candidates? Frazier? Gyorko? Brantley? Gardner? Joyce?
I wouldn’t underestimate Jed Hoyer. Very capable, great guy, and respected by GMs around the league.
Here’s a name for you, 25 – Yasmany Tomas.
Backup at both 3B and in LF. Could also DH.
Last year they added a “backup” infielder who ended up hitting cleanup everyday when no one else claimed the job. When your outfield is hitting 7-8-9 in the lineup, you have a problem. I understand why the Cards are still hoping for a breakthrough from O’Neill, Bader, and Thomas, but IMHO they need an experienced “backup” in place when the season starts. Someone you know is going to show up everyday.
Has always had a nice OBP. In the 3 years he hooted for the Owls – .366, .368, .433.
mspaid – The answer is pretty obvious.
One way or another, the Cards will pick up an outfielder.
Who’s taking the reins? Scotty? 25?
Nice versatile athlete. Was the QB on the football team, point guard on the basketball team, and SS on the baseball team at Midway HS in Waco, Texas. Became one of the leaders on the LSU Tigers baseball team, starting all 4 years, and helped lead them into the CWS. Was a 2nd team All American and 3rd team All American his junior and senior years. One of the best college defensive shortstops in the country.
In 2019, he played at both Springfield and Memphis, hitting 11 home runs, driving in 51, stealing 14 bases, and having an OBP of .360 in 123 games.
Nice versatile player who projects as #5/#6 infielder. Mini Edman type.
Here’s how the voting for #11 came
14Nyquist – Woodford
stlcard25 – Fletcher
gscottar – Woodford
PugsleyAdams – Fletcher
grenadier – Fletcher
mudville – Fletcher
flood21 – Fletcher
So by a vote of 5-2, the 6’2”, 200 lbs. super all around athlete out of Deering High in Portland, Maine is our #11 prospect.
The Cards signed the 2nd round pick in 2019 for $1.5 million. He was the highest drafted player out of the state of Maine (not exactly a baseball hotbed) since 2008. Tre started out well as a pro, hitting 4 home runs, driving 26, and stealing 7 bases in only 43 games between the GCL Cards and Johnson City after he was drafted.
The voting is now open for the next round. Please select whether you want to vote for 3 or 5 prospects at a time. 3 at a time might garner more detailed narrative why the prospects were selected by the voter.
Just a thought. Have fun.
Looks like there’s a desire to go to voting for multiple players each round. It might be time to do that. And if that’s the case, it’s time for someone else to do the vote counting and keep the thread going.
OKay, the final results are in for #10, to round out our top 10.
By my count, it’s –
Rondon – 4
Woodford – 2
Fletcher – 2
Sosa (the unappreciated) – 1
The talented Dominican Angel Rondon is the winner.
On to our second 10. The voting is now open for #11.
Bleacher report says that the percentage of draftees that make it to the majors is –
1st round – 66%
2nd round – 49%
Rounds 3-5 – 32%
Rounds 6-10 – 20%
Rounds 11-20 – 11%
Rounds 21-40 – 6%
A question, then. How many of the players on our Top 50 lists make it to the majors? How many for more than just a cup of coffee who end up being starters in the field, or regulars in the rotation or bullpen?
Very true, Mudville. A very unappreciated player, and I don’t get it.
Great round so far!
Rondon – 3
Woodford – 2
Fletcher – 2
Sosa – 1
Keep those votes coming in.
Had shoulder clean up surgery in October 2018. Said it had bothered him all season.
Can’t speak to 2019, when he had 29 home runs and 89 RBI in only 130 games.