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bccran
ParticipantOffensive slash line numbers only, with 2017 OPS comparison to 2016 and career –
Yadi –
Career – .284BA/.336OBP/.736OPS
2016 – .307/.360/.787
2017 – .266/.301/.704
OPS is down 83 points from 2016 and 32 from career.Carpenter –
Career – .280/.376/.837
2016 – .271/.380/.885
2017 – .248/.378/.827
OPS is down 58 points from 2016 and 10 from career.Piscotty –
Career – .272/.348/.794
2016 – .373/.343/.800
2017 – .236/.348/.719
OPS is down 81 points from 2016 and 75 from career.Grichuk –
Career – .248/.298/.783
2016 – .240/.289/.769
2017 – .226/.281/.729
OPS is down 40 points from 2016 and 54 from career.Diaz –
Career – .284/.340/.803
2016 – .300/.369/.878
2017 – .260/.293/.688
OPS is down 191 points from 2016 and 115 from career.Fowler –
Career – .266/.364/.788
2016 – .276/.393/.840
2017 = .244/.334/.791
OPS is down 49 points from 2016 and up 3 from career.Peralta –
Career – .267/.329/.752
2016 – .260/.307/.715
2017 – .204/.293/.462
OPS is down 253 points over injury ridden 2016 and 290 from career.Now, on the positive side –
Gyroko –
Career – .245/.305/.734
2016 – .243/.306/.801
2017 – .287/.352/.843
OPS is up 42 points over 2016 and 109 over career.Wong –
Career – .253/.319/.694
2016 – .240/.327/.682
2017 – .294/.388/.806
OPS is up 124 points over 2016 and 112 over career.Pham –
Career – .271/.357/.841
2016 – .226/.324/.764
2017 – .283/.371/.871
OPS is up 107 points over 2016 30 over career.Summary –
It was probably a very good assessment to say that management “over expected” on several players to be at or above major league average at their respective positions. That would include both corner outfielders plus SS and 3B. Maybe 1st base too. Thank goodness Gyorko, DeJong, and Pham have helped considerably.
bccran
ParticipantWow, Brian. That’s quite a reaction. Sure didn’t mean for this to be a “squishy” discussion. Just one about our weak areas that need to be buoyed up before the deadline so we can make a legitimate run at a playoff position. Some disappointing player performances have caused that.
That’s all. Didn’t mean to put a bee in the bonnet.bccran
ParticipantIMHO, they are stacked with starters. Lots of minor league possible trade chips besides Weaver and Flaherty – Gant, Mayers, Artie Reyes, Pearce, Gomber, Helsley, Woodford, Hicks, and yes, even Alcantara, Fernandez, and Oviedo. Maybe zero in on a proven back of the bullpen flame thrower? If they get a proven ML SS, that forces a choice between Wong and DeJong for 2B. Is Gyorko the long term answer at 3B?
bccran
ParticipantIt’s not a refutation scenario, please. It’s looking at the disappointments (whatever and whoever),
thinking who may return to (or exceed) career norm, checking the capabilities on the Memphis roster, and summarizing where we need help from the outside. The O’Neill move has already been made. What’s next?
Closer? Hold artist?
Veteran defensive SS? #3/4 bat? Who’s specific disappointments have created the need(s)?bccran
ParticipantIt’s been well chronicled that Yadi is mentoring Kelly just like MM mentored him.
bccran
ParticipantThe Cards coaches were very impressed with Hudson’s 95mph sinking fastball at Spring Training. He’s a talent. Would like to keep Martinez, Reyes, Weaver, Flaherty, and Hudson. Others can be trade chips.
bccran
ParticipantHitters #1-6 in the lineup were 0 for 20 with 9 Ks.
You describe that.bccran
ParticipantGlad they removed Fowler. Poor guy needs his rest.
bccran
ParticipantThose are some good thoughts, Pads. Gotta believe one or two of them might be included in a deadline trade this month. Hudson seems like a prime candidate right now.
bccran
ParticipantWacha – arbitration 2018 and 2019
Waino – signed through 2018
Carlos – signed through 2021
(Team options 2022 and 2023)
Leake – signed through 2020 (Mutual option 2021)
Reyes – controlled through 2022Where does that leave Weaver, Marco G., Flaherty, Gant, Mayers, Pearce, Hudson, Gallen, Gomber, Alcantara, Fernandez, etc.?
bccran
ParticipantGood comment on Alcantara and Fernandez. Hadn’t considered that. Just thought they were struggling.
I wonder how it effects their trade value.bccran
ParticipantI’ve learned never to say never. Who would have thought that DeJong, Voit, and Sierra would be contributing to the big club in July 2017. The big key is whether a strong start can be sustained. Can anyone really explain the backslide of Piscotty this season?
bccran
ParticipantTigers won’t do the deal for next to nothing. Backroom discussion with his agent for a sense of what extension could be agreed upon later makes a lot of sense. I don’t know how appropriate that is, though.
bccran
ParticipantIt’s a shame we’re blowing such a good performance by the rotatation. They must be torqued.
bccran
ParticipantCardinals starters rank #4 in MLB in ERA. Bullpen ranks #16.
bccran
ParticipantThis club needs a major trade to give them a jolt. The only energy on this team is in the rotation and with rookie position players.
bccran
ParticipantThere’s your answer.
bccran
ParticipantCardinals nearly always look for solutions that provide short term help with long term potential.
Like a Matt Holliday. Would look for that type of scenario.bccran
ParticipantI’d like to see he and Kelly get ample time at Memphis too.
bccran
ParticipantThe biggest question right now is whether Piscotty and Grichuk are the answer. If not, then it’s Fowler, Pham and either Bader or a trade addition. I’m almost always for promoting from within, but granted there’s an exception situation right now. Doubt BD will go for Stanton, but Ozuna makes a lot of sense if they can get him. He’s be expensive in players given up, but worth it.
bccran
ParticipantThanks very much, Derek.
bccran
ParticipantWhy is Martini never mentioned as a decent prospect and possible callup? His .412 OBP at Memphis should draw some attention. Is he too much of a AAAA player with little power and average speed?
bccran
ParticipantRosenthal’s key is to get ahead of batters and cut way down on his free passes.
bccran
ParticipantNothing like having a closer with
a 4.17 ERA. Starters must love it.bccran
ParticipantFowler
Piscotty
Grichuk
Pham
Martinez
Bader
Martini
Sierra
A. Garcia
Arozarena
Carlson
Plummer
Denton
Benson
Hurst
Fuller
Robbins
Fielder
Billings
JacksonWho’s going to step up over time?
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