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early on with the extra days off will allow for 7…seems to be that way every year…
I’d guess Munoz and Bader get the spots…with Voit getting the JMart spot if this groin thing i serious or if Carp isnt ready to go
Munoz vs Bader is an interesting conundrum but i’d go with Bader as id like Munoz playing a lot of infield at AAA and outfield…with BAder taking the traditional extra OF/CF role
I still woudl prefer to find a new home for Garcia and fill his spot with Munoz or a real backup SS…I think Garcia is fine and all but we have a lot of guys who could fill that role who have options…plsu Garcia i think could have nice value to a team with more need at 2b…he may even be a solid starter for a few teams at 2b
With Owings getting the super sub tag with AZ i wonder if we could pry him away…his versatility on the infield (SS/2b) and OF (CF) with good defense and high end SB threat legs…would be more valuable to me than Garcia’s left hand bat
oh well..babbling
sounds right Brian…i remember our golden child Reyes having some issues not too long ago that made us question his character and he seems to have turned it around just fine
That we were able to move these guys with potentially poor contracts really doesnt have anything to do with the contracts themselves IMO… it is a separate transaction to trade contracts good or bad and while one or the other may make it more or less easy to move it doesn’t mean the contract is good or bad as a result of the return IMO it may be a factor but not proof of quality of the contract
Craig’s contract is still bad given the outcome no matter what WE got back for it…PIscotty is still up for debate but again what we got back is more a telling of the quality of our GMs abilities to move players and maximize value than it is on the contract itself
Gyorko got a big deal with Sd after his first big year…then he stunk it up and they looked to move him and his “bad” contract….which then once he got here turned into a “good” contract once he showed up in the 2nd half of that first year…was the contract good? was it bad? for us it was good…for the PAds it probably looks bad now as they didnt see the good version of the player under the contract they gave him…
It doesnt really matter though… I thin kthe general sentiment is that this seems too quick but in the end we are all hopeful it works out and if it doesnt then it isnt THAT much money
BW… read my responses before you fly off the handle about my position and using it as a platform to talk about something else
it is not much different than most of the sentiment– i like DEJong…i want him to be good and for us to lock him up
– however with less than a year of service and production i think it is too fast to give him the extension
– asking for at least 1 full year of proof that a guy is going to be good is not too much to expect before giving a 6yr extension…maybe he proved the worth with his bat…but id challenge that too…what i am more concerned about is the SS defense, that is not something we can take for granted…last year was his first year playing it…and he was decent but we cant kid ourselves that he is anything more than average at this point….again…after this year i think we would know better because we’d have more stats and video and play and results to look at before we hand over money and organizational committment
– the amount of money isnt bad but i dont think it would have been monumentally different after this season
– this is not a bad move, just one i a question the timing of with regards to the specific situation- the money seems good, but if he fails this year that will be a lot of money tied up…and the commitment of the organization to that money will mean that he will get a super long leash, which means if he starts to flail, they will hesitate to send him to the minors, they will hesitate not to start him, and they will hesitate to go out and look for replacements
– this makes me feel like we are dumping a lot of eggs into this basket…so if DeJong is a SS then Machado is not in the plans, nor is any other SS prospect trade…and whether DeJOng can switch to 3b or not only switches the lack of looking in that direction either…we would potentially only be adding a SS or 3b to the system 25 man from outside or from within…most likely not a SS…so if Dejong starts to play defense like the guy who has never played year of MLB SS defense and only 1 full year last year playing SS at all…then we are stuck…
– i have never complained about the Cardinals not spending money
– as for the other contracts…no i did not complain…they also had much more service time than DeJong, especially when adding in there success in the minors too
– it is a great thing for DeJong…i only want him to succeed…but it feels too rushed IMOand i am allowed to have these opinions and share them
I like Pham not taking a lowball offer (in his eyes) which means he thinks he is worth more than whatever they were offering which means he wants to go out and show it
pretty nice win…solid pitching some nice double plays turned…it wasnt really Washingtons A team but still had some good players in it
I was impressed with Sherriff and Leone… Leone might be a dark horse for that closer spot…he seems to have the mentality for the end of games…he was into it at the end
what does position scarcity have to do in this discussion?
we have him under control for every year we extended him…we dont lose him at SS unless we dont pay him his arb contracts…and while they COULD be more expensive we only would lose him if we chose to lose him
for all the talk about the bullpen…i am pretty confident about the bullpen…we have lots of options
my worry is all about the rotation to me…until i see Mikolas have a good outing in ST i will feel uneasy as Waino will be a worry all year i think and JAck seems just not ready yet…IMO…he is close but not quite there
maybe once Reyes is ready to go i will feel better, as a combo of JAck and Reyes might be enough to make up for any concern to Waino and Mikolas overall
I’d still target Archer right now and get a deal done…
i give Carp another 1.5 weeks before i worry
that would leave him with 2 weeks which is plenty for a hitter and vet like himit’s not like he is sitting around, he is running and working out and is supposed to swing today i think
i dont mind giving Martinez and Voit and Wisdom more time to show what they can do…Carp wouldnt have probably played more than 3 games or so by now anyways with how they are handing out playtime so far anyways
I am more worried about Cecil, as i think he needs to get some confidence
I think after this year it would have been fine. He hasnt played a full year at SS or been in the bigs for a year. I love these types of extensions, but DeJong wasnt a cant miss prospect, and his big first year is nice, but it is too quick for me
I dont think we would have gotten much different a deal for an extension after this year and yet it woudl have protected us against implosion for at least one year.
ASking for at least 1yr worth of MLB results i dont think is too much to ask before handing on a bigger paycheck.
It’s not a lot of risk either way, but should Dejong implode (which happens to even the best prospects), people will be complaining about that 4mil for the next 6 yrs
i dont understand why every other pitcher gets a free pas with knocking off rust in their first outings but Waino does not…i think he has earned it
Josh Donaldson is 32 and people seem to be wanting to jump to move heaven and earth to bring him in…and he had a way more impactful to time lost injury than Carp last year (or even the year before)
Carp’s problems last year seemed to come from an early oblique strain he was dealing with the year previous and then the shoulder issue which plagued him during the year… his AVG went down, but he still had plenty of power and on base skills
I am curious how Carp has been “fragile” lately…
there are 162 games played
2016 he lost time to that oblique injury… but these are his games played since 2013:
2013 157 (only missed 5 games)
2014 158 (4)
2015 154 (8)
2016 129 (33…which isnt really all that bad)
2017 145 (17)The last two years have been lower…but it;s not like he has missed so much time to be labeled as “fragile”
Donaldson only played in 113 last year
They arent the same player….and YES as people get older the injuries linger worse…but blowing out of proportion Carp’s injury from TWO years ago (oblique) as if it meant he missed the whole year, or saying last year he was lost isnt accurate… he still produced last year, he was just hampered by his injury last year…and yet he still put up pretty solid numbers…just not numbers we are used to seeing from Carp
Now is it a coincidence that we missed the last two years of playoff play AND Carp’s big injury happening in that time along with his lowered production last year…i do not think so at all…i think the org wanted CArp to be the answer for a lot the last two years and injury and the playable injury last year really hurt the ideal production of the team… which is why we brought in Ozuna IMO…we couldnt afford to depend on CArp being the frontline hitter …not because he cant be it still, but that we haev been burned by it the last two yearsbut maybe it is all semantics… nad at the end of the day… it doesnt matter…. he is going to play soon and we will see whether he is effective or not…but he isnt getting traded or replaced because he is so old and fragile…he is still a force at the plate…and had his .241 AVG last year been .275 people woudlnt even be talking about his ineffectiveness…if all a shoulder injury does to Carp is lower his BA then all we need is a little less injured Carp to have that guy we all loved before his oblique injury and shoudler injury tarnished everyone’s perception of him
his back isnt an issue until i see it being an issue…starting late in ST doesnt affect the team at all…again..if he is still out 2 weeks from now or he comes back next week and strikes out every single time or gets a new injury…i will start to worry
Waino worked out of his rusty control issues…good to see
glad to see his velocity was up over 90…i hope it is like that later in ST when he is in the 5th and 6th
If not perhaps a bullpen role would be good to harness what he has left…if he can get into the 6th with over 90 on the fastball then all his breaking stuff will work just fine and he can use his guile and pitch selection to do just fine in the rotation…
he won’t ever be that #1 Ace guy again, but a solid vet backend starter has a ton of value
Gyorko has played one game…Gregerson and Cecil (personal tragedy) have yet to play… we just saw Waino for the first time… i think they have a pretty obvious schedule/plan for easing the veterans into play
If it is 2 weeks from now and we havent seen Carp…i will worry then
Carp’s back doesnt bother me…i am more worried about his shoulder issues returning
seems an odd time… but as someone else said…what has Schafer done to keep him up right now? Maybe left handed batting practice…
I totally agree with you…one season of this backup job is about all i can handle if he truly is elite level prospect…which is why during the Q+A he said theyd probably send him to Memphis if he really wasnt getting any PT this year…
i dont think we have wasted Kelly yet…but shoudl this current showing of how he is going to be used is how they want him used for the next 3 years then i’d have an issue with it…especially with Knizner developing and closer….
If Moz was saying to look out for Valera making the team…youd have to think Munoz has an equal shot with same type of skills except he has some power and SS defense
I still want to see more of him at SS before i feel comfortable about our SS defensive depth shoudl DeJOng go south
BRian…quick question
I know Carp has been slow to start for his back…but why is Gyorko not been playing?
Did I miss an injury?
i am sorry but lumping all the people who want to trade Kelly into one category isnt fair… I absolutely know the risk of moving Kelly now…i think Knizner is closer than farther away and YES Pena and Baron are spare parts….but they are backup catchers…and that is the role on the 25man…which is a role on every MLB club…there are few teams (maybe Cleveland, LAD,Baltimore) who have roles on their roster for backup full time starter insurance…but most do not…
It is a risk to some degree for moving Kelly now with Pena or Baron or even Knizner being the next man up…but that risk also provides a reward…and forme the reward of someone like Archer outweighs my concerns over losing Yadi….as the backups should at least be able to provide adequate defense
Yadi has been pretty durable…and even his late season concussion they only heald him out longer for precaution after the postseason was out of reach when he would have come back
Also, there are NO guarantees Kelly would do well either…so the assumption that having Kelly somehow allows us no dropoff in production from Yadi is far from fact or any assurances
I liek our backup SPs, youngsters ready to step in…but i value the sustained success of someone like Archer more than the POTENTIAL of Flaherty and Kelly to be able to contribute immediately…
It is not so far from reason to think Mikolas and Waino may be ineffective…or that someone will get hurt who is in the rotation… Flaherty stepping in is a nice luxury high end prospect to fill a role…and Reyes obviously is… but putting so much on their shoulders at a young age and coming back from injury may prove a long term mistake if they flounder or get injured or re-injured due to use
and as you said… dont bring up Lyons or Gant or Norris as saviors either as they are either more useful (Lyons) in other areas of need OR are spare parts as you put it
What i found fascinating in the Q+A the other day was wen someone asked about what it would talked to get Archer and someone put Kelly +_ FLaherty and another good prospect…and they responded that was TOO much
If so…Kelly + Hudson is still top notch but lets us keep Flaherty….or maybe we can offer up FLaherty + an outfielder.. and the idea of moving Kelly now is moot if for someone like Archer…or we move him for something else we need
I think if we made Kelly available to the Nats…or several other teams we may be able to get a lot back.. I have always seemed to like Freeman from the Braves…woudl they consider Kelly + for Freeman? Or maybe Abreu? (his contract lines up with Ozuna i think too so it isnt alot of control but at least a little)
If we could snag Archer for a some SP depth and an outfielder…and a Kelly centered package moved for a big middle order bat like Freeman…wouldnt that be better than having Flaherty and Kelly?
I think it would be at least worth entertaining the idea of cashing in on the prospects we have now if we are truly wanting to compete right now… now do we do all do this for rentals? nah…but for controlled guys like Freeman and Archer..absolutely…. and even if it guts the farm a little bit…so what? we have lots of good arms and good young catchers…plus all the years to produce more gained of not needing them that guys like Archer and Freeman would provide
babbling again…sorry
Guilmet seems to be getting a lot of work…good for him
Loved seeing Motte get all worked up in his last outing…first ST game and he was barking like it was the WS…he may have lost somethign since we last had him but he didnt lose that fire
They say the Cubs wanted him over Chatwood. It’s not like we were the only one in on him.
His numbers looked legit. The low walks too
Schafer looks like he’s struggling again. Two games is still two games but this can’t be a good sign for his chances. They are definitely giving him a chance though.
I dunno…i watched every pitch twice just to try understand what happened and the results are the results…i just agree with what has been said
he couldnt locate his breaking pitches at all, his high fastball wasnt bad, but they sat on the low ones…i thought he had plenty of zip on the fastball though it seems a little flat to me, but without being able to locate his breaking pitches for strikes he was left sitting in hitters counts being forced to throw his fastball over the plate
he doesnt walk guys…and that was evident…which i like…but if he can only get the fastball over without walking then that wont help…
the bite he had on his curve and cutter though were pretty impressive when he got them over the plate
the Fisher HR (which was the backbreaker) if i remember correctly ended on 3 straight fastballs…and any good hitter can time a guy on 3 fastballs in a row…especially when the last one was in the guys wheelhouse
What i loved the most was Maddux talking about talking with Miles…and how Miles knew all the problems without Maddux saying anything…it’s a bad outing…and the first…he gets a long leash from the FO and from me…but i have to say i was impressed with the stuff…maybe he just needs to shake off a little offseason rust to get his control on his breaking pitches back…that K looking to Springer for the first batter was impressive
MAyers was a beast though…very glad he is doing well…and though i am one of the many that would have preferred Wick to still be around…i will be so happy to be proved wrong by a good MAyers helping!
Poncedeleon looked pretty good too…there are worse guys to have at AAA in case of emergency…and it’s a victory no matter what to see him pitching again…great story
outside of Greene going to his breaking ball one too many times in a row he looked good too…Van Slyke just wasnt goign to fall for that curve again so he belted it
then Schafer…well he just didnt have anything
outside of that…pretty good looking game
everyone but Schafer looked good…which is a good sign
impressed with Mercado’s speed