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Weaver gives up a solo shot in the bottom half of the first.
Gyorko led off the second with a single, Yadi followed with a double, Martinez with a walk and Voit with a groundout.
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Not really if you get them to take Fowler back and kick in, say, $5 million per year over the last four years of the deal.
There will come a point where putting mediocre teams on the field will cost the Cardinals more than paying players and constructing a proper lineup.
Well, that goes to roster construction. We had the best leadoff hitter in the game in terms of OBP, a person who notoriously has slumped when not hitting leadoff the last few years and instantly snaps out of it once he is put back in the leadoff spot.
We lost Holliday, who was our #3 hitter, and replaced him with a leadoff hitter. Everybody besides the front office knew we needed a #3 or #4 hitter. But the front office doesn’t like trades, so we got a leadoff hitter who brings down the defense he was supposed to bring up.
Maybe the front office will learn that they need to start trying to improve the team every year, maybe they won’t. But the decision makers just got promotions, and the Cardinals are on pace to draw more than 3 million fans, so we’ll probably have to go through one more mediocre season before real changes occur.
Well, that is one way to interpret it, but it sounded like the Cardinals had actually lined up trades and could have pulled the trigger. So, who came to their senses? Was this DeWitt stepping in and saying guys, we have more than one issue to fix?
The Cardinals also have the 6th highest inherited runners scoring % against them at 35%.
But you are entirely missing the point – the last 5-6 years, the Cardinals go into the trade deadline and acquire a reliever to act like they are trying to win a world series. But as Girsch contended, those efforts are nothing more than cosmetic.
Ha! So, Girsch indicated that trading for middle relievers is nothing more than a cosmetic trade – and yet, what do the Cardinals normally do at the trade deadline?
“Girsch declined to go into details, other than that the Cardinals had opportunities to add middle relievers and chose not to make a cosmetic move.”
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/gm-girsch-frustrated-says-cards-were-busy-at-deadline/article_f9748d6e-f615-5dcc-9c17-f754ecb4f963.htmlSo, I have a question: Supposedly, the Cardinals tried to get Sonny Gray. Who was he going to replace in the rotation?
This seems like an example of Mozeliak going through the motions of proposing a trade he knew would never happen just to say he tried.
The problem is – the A’s don’t value a package that includes Piscotty as much as they value Yankees prospects
After drastically overpaying their big free agent signings this past offseason, can you blame them for being gun shy about making trades?
One of the baseball analysts tweeted that he didn’t think the Cardinals would extend a QO because they wouldn’t want to get stuck paying $18 million per year to Lynn
I am fully aware not 100% of the team is homegrown. I was being facetious – because the Mo doesn’t like to make trades and doesn’t like to wade into free agency.
Now, you are going to come back and say the Cardinals were such big spenders last year, but the reality was the net effect on payroll was $0. Dexter Fowler’s signing wasn’t to upgrade a position, it was because we had a void in the outfield.
I’d rather the front office try to build a contender than do what’s expedient.
“The Yankees were never going to build exclusively from within. No team does that.”
Hopefully, someday, the Cardinals front office will realize the above statement.
By extending Lynn – are you talking about giving him a QO and watching him leave with the Cardinals getting a post second round pick, or are you talking about having him sign a multi-year deal?
As for you comment about poster’s mindsets versus front office – do you do competitive intelligence? Do you ever have to interpret what competitors are doing based on what’s in the news, your recent head-to-head sales competitions with them, who they’ve hired or what patents they’ve filed? It’s the same thing as reading a front office. You look for patterns in their behavior, you look at market signals, you look at what you know about their sales.
Cardinals fans are still flocking to the gates this season, so there is no reason to tell them the Cardinals are punting on the season by trading Lynn. That is your indicator on sales.
The front office is resistant to change – as evidenced by the fact that they rarely do trades, almost never do blockbusters, have only once traded multiple prospects for a star player and just got rewarded with promotions. That is your pattern of behavior.
Have you read the P-D articles where Lynn said he is not going anywhere? Where Pham said they are still in contention? Even yesterday, teams were unsure of whether the Cardinals would even sell Lynn, and by starting Lynn yesterday, the Cardinals indicated they would not. Those are your market signals.
At this point in the season, there are only two approaches that make sense: Sell or Hold.
Selling may adversely affect the clubhouse and ticket sales.
Worst case with keeping Lynn is you get a post-second round pick. Best case with selling Lynn is you get a Top 100 MiLB prospect.
Is that a big enough difference to risk the dropoff in ticket sales or angering some of your players? Probably not. Is the difference big enough to impact your future ability to win a WS? Maybe.
The reality is, the front office punted on the season before it began. They didn’t try to get the BEST center fielder available, they went and got one where they only had to give up money. They didn’t try to get a STAR 3B, they went into the season announcing a “competition” between Peralta (who was abysmal last year) and Gyorko (a career backup), that was never a competition at all. They didn’t try to get a star SS, they “hoped” Diaz would improve to be an “average” SS and his hitting would justify his playing there. They didn’t try to upgrade over Grichuk, knowing that he struggled with staying in the lineup last year due to contact issues, they just moved him to LF, for a defensively inferior CF, which makes NO sense, whatsoever.
Where were the defensive improvements they spent all offseason talking about? Where was the focus on better base running?
Remember, everyone thought the Cubs were a juggernaut and were going to run away with the division. Nobody knew the Cubs weren’t going to start playing like a championship team until after the All-Star break.
You can’t really blame the front office for not going all-in on this year given the disparity in talent between the Cubs and the Cardinals, but if you are going to build for a title run in 2019, the smart move now is to sell what assets you can and get the biggest returns possible.
The moves that got Mozeliak and Girsch promotions were staying the course.
I think it is more likely that they just don’t want to send the signal to the team and the fan base that they are out of it.
Yeah – so the Cubs are about to add Justin Wilson and possibly Alex Avila – after just adding Quintana.
And the Cardinals think Joe Smith will help them close a 4.5 game gap?
That would be stupid beyond belief.
Yeah – it’s amazing you can actually trade fringe 40 man roster types for something you need at the moment rather than losing them for nothing in the offseason…
I don’t think it is other teams hate Mo, I think it’s just that the Cardinals are unwilling to budge from their 1:1 trade ratio, and Mo feels more comfortable losing players to the Rule 5 than trading multiple players for upgrades…
Fowler can, and should, be going elsewhere. It’s just that the Cardinals will have to eat about $6-8 million per year to make that happen. But, would you rather make the playoffs and eat a portion of Fowler’s contract, or miss the playoffs and put up with him for four more years? MAKE THE TRADE.
I don’t understand the infatuation with moving Gyorko. I agree – he is not a #4 hitter. He’s probably a very good #5, #6 or #8 hitter. He plays above average defense at two positions – 2B and 3B. At worst, keep him as a utility player with power. He could also slide back to 2B, which is his natural position. A 2B hitting 20-30 HR per year with average-to-above-average defense is an all-star.
Ozuna helps the team get younger, Donaldson does not.
I don’t see a market for Carpenter at this point.
So, the Yankees were motivated to do this trade, in part, to clear space from the 40-man to protect players from the Rule 5 draft in the offseason…
“Enns, a 26-year-old lefty, was on the 40-man, but was not expected to stay on it this winter, which means he would have been available to every team without the Yankees getting a return. Littell had to be placed on the 40-man roster this winter or be exposed to the Rule 5 draft, and he was considered a borderline decision.”
https://nypost.com/2017/07/30/yankees-get-a-starter-roster-space-and-a-full-sonny-gray-focus/
Minnesota turned a one week rental of Jaime Garcia into the Yankees 22nd ranked prospect (Minnesota’s 16th now) and a lefty reliever….
Carpenter with a leadoff double. Pham and DeJong singled. 1-0 Cards.
Greinke threw about 24 pitches in the 1st
So, if the Yankees don’t get Sonny Gray, their top options appear to be Jaime Garcia or Lance Lynn…
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2724527-lance-lynn-jaime-garcia-reportedly-on-yankees-trade-radarI’d be happy getting Nick Solak, Miguel Andujar or Jorge Mateo back from the Yankees…
