July 20, 2017 at 1:59 pm #28093
I wanted to have a place to share this as it impacts Lynn’s value. Here is a rumor that the Royals are interested – if the Cards decide to trade.
Teams have been told that at the qualifying offer to free agents this offseason will be in the $18 million range, maybe $18.1 million.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) July 20, 2017
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 20, 2017July 20, 2017 at 2:21 pm #28102LoganAlpha30X7ParticipantFree
The question then becomes who would we want for him, I don’t know enough about the Royals to know who we’d want back…July 20, 2017 at 2:23 pm #28103stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
Do the Royals even have anything the Cards would want in a trade? They have a really poor system (no top 100 guys) and I think the Cards would be fools to trade Lynn for less than a first round pick type talent, which is what they’d get by hanging on to him and letting him go with a QO, right? I hope they don’t get a Jaime Garcia yield on this one; that would stink.July 20, 2017 at 2:31 pm #28106
No, the Cardinals would be getting a compensatory pick after the 2nd roundJuly 20, 2017 at 2:57 pm #28108stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
I was searching around and found this info regarding draft pick compensation:
A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall receive a selection immediately following the first round of the draft if the player signs a contract with a total guarantee of $50 million or more.
Now, I can’t find the official list but since the Cards are in the small market list for competitive balance picks, wouldn’t they be part of the “non disqualified list”? I read that the Braves and Astros now no longer are one of the revenue sharing list and that there are 13 teams left but no info on who the 13 are…?July 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm #28110
The Cardinals do not receive revenue sharing, so they will receive a pick after the second roundJuly 20, 2017 at 9:29 pm #28123vegasjimParticipantPaid - Annual
The attachment explains the compensation for team losing a player or signing a player who had a QO going forward.July 20, 2017 at 10:08 pm #28130858booyahParticipantFree
You know I thought about this last night. I could see them hold teams feet to the fire knowing they can still hold on to him and get a 2nd round pick if he gets paid. We all know how bowtie lost his picks this year and wants to recoup them.
The Royals really have no one I’d consider. Maybe Junis and the kid Kahlil Mack would be possible but my thing would be who else could we dump on them? Might as well take out the trash at once.July 20, 2017 at 11:23 pm #28134
We’ll see what the Braves get for Garcia. I doubt we’ll get that much better of a return for Lynn…July 21, 2017 at 7:59 am #28143
I think Lynn is much more valuable than Garcia. I feel like Garcia’s arm could fall off at any moment.July 21, 2017 at 8:32 am #28160
The results this season are not close. Garcia is league average while Lynn is 29% above (ERA+). If you prefer FIP, Lynn is one full run better.
Lynn would have a shot at a qualifying offer this fall, while there is almost zero chance Jaime would receive one.
July 21, 2017 at 9:32 am #28171
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Also it looks like the Twins are backing off Garcia due to his injury history.July 21, 2017 at 9:46 am #28177
Maybe Girsch is a better negotiator than Mozeliak, but after seeing what the Cardinals got from the Braves for Garcia and Adams, unless a bidding war breaks out, I don’t see the Cardinals extracting maximum value for Lynn…I am sure other teams have studied Mozeliak’s trading patterns and will probably offer something comparable to what he would offer them…July 27, 2017 at 11:21 am #28854July 27, 2017 at 11:59 am #28857OnyxgemParticipantFree
Lynn should be traded if they have no interest in long term contract end of storyJuly 27, 2017 at 12:16 pm #28858
Translation: “come get him boys…”July 27, 2017 at 12:47 pm #28863mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I don’t want to trade Lynn unless we get a really good prospect back. I would like to see the Nationals make an offer to the Cardinals for Lynn, and others, that would include Robles and Kieboom. I’d rather watch Lynn pitch in St. Louis for the rest of the year if we don’t get an offer something like that. We already have enough good prospects. Get a great prospect or let him stay here and pitch and win games.
July 27, 2017 at 1:07 pm #28867
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I agree has to be better than 2nd rounder or no point..
But the “we have prospects” argument is a nonstarter. It is a numbers game. More wins.July 27, 2017 at 1:37 pm #28870mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
Are you saying that the more prospects we have, the better the chance of finding a future star player? If not, tell me what the you mean by numbers game. I’m not arguing anything. Just wanting to understand.July 27, 2017 at 1:41 pm #28871
Yes. Also injuries, depth and future trades.July 27, 2017 at 2:46 pm #28873
Maybe Girsch is a better negotiator than Mozeliak, but after seeing what the Cardinals got from the Braves for Garcia and Adams, unless a bidding war breaks out, I don’t see the Cardinals extracting maximum value for Lynn…I am sure other teams have studied Mozeliak’s trading patterns and will probably offer something comparable to what he would offer them…
What do you think was appropriate value for Garcia? We got Gant, Ellis, and Dykstra…Gant is pitching pretty well in Memphis and looks like a long-term asset in the least. Ellis is doing a lot better in Springfield than he did earlier in the year. May have something there too. Meanwhile, the Braves got Huascar Ynoa, a 19-year old in rookie ball, described as “a nice, low-level flier with a chance to max out as a league-average starter.” (Yawn)
Then you have Adams who didn’t have anyplace to fit on this team and wasn’t hitting well either at the time. We got a $1M bonus kid that hopefully can play 3B one day. He is at least in A-ball and one of the younger players on the team.July 27, 2017 at 3:13 pm #28876SoonerinNCParticipantPaid - Annual
I would be disappointed with any trade with Kansas City. I have no interest in any of their minor leaguers including Mondesi who had stalled out at the major league level. The only regular major league player I would like is Hosmer so we would have to do something about Carpenter.
Duffy appears to be the strongest starter but I don’t see any advantage in picking him up. I don’t know the contract status of either Duffy or Hosmer and I know that would play a role in any deal.
I would rather count on our scouting department to select a better second round draft pick any minor league guy we could pick up from Kansas City.
July 27, 2017 at 9:14 pm #28898July 28, 2017 at 3:47 pm #28961
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Other teams waiting for clear indication from Cards on whether they intend to trade Lance Lynn. Among most coveted SP in market.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) July 28, 2017July 28, 2017 at 4:17 pm #28962
I really really hope that those teams just call and make an offer
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