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    I wanted to have a place to share this as it impacts Lynn’s value. Here is a rumor that the Royals are interested – if the Cards decide to trade.

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    The question then becomes who would we want for him, I don’t know enough about the Royals to know who we’d want back…

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    Do the Royals even have anything the Cards would want in a trade? They have a really poor system (no top 100 guys) and I think the Cards would be fools to trade Lynn for less than a first round pick type talent, which is what they’d get by hanging on to him and letting him go with a QO, right? I hope they don’t get a Jaime Garcia yield on this one; that would stink.

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    No, the Cardinals would be getting a compensatory pick after the 2nd round

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    I was searching around and found this info regarding draft pick compensation:

    A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall receive a selection immediately following the first round of the draft if the player signs a contract with a total guarantee of $50 million or more.

    Now, I can’t find the official list but since the Cards are in the small market list for competitive balance picks, wouldn’t they be part of the “non disqualified list”? I read that the Braves and Astros now no longer are one of the revenue sharing list and that there are 13 teams left but no info on who the 13 are…?

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    The Cardinals do not receive revenue sharing, so they will receive a pick after the second round

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    The attachment explains the compensation for team losing a player or signing a player who had a QO going forward.

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/2017-qualifying-offer-expected-to-be-worth-roughly-18mm.html

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    You know I thought about this last night. I could see them hold teams feet to the fire knowing they can still hold on to him and get a 2nd round pick if he gets paid. We all know how bowtie lost his picks this year and wants to recoup them.

    The Royals really have no one I’d consider. Maybe Junis and the kid Kahlil Mack would be possible but my thing would be who else could we dump on them? Might as well take out the trash at once.

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    We’ll see what the Braves get for Garcia. I doubt we’ll get that much better of a return for Lynn…

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    I think Lynn is much more valuable than Garcia. I feel like Garcia’s arm could fall off at any moment.

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    The results this season are not close. Garcia is league average while Lynn is 29% above (ERA+). If you prefer FIP, Lynn is one full run better.

    Lynn would have a shot at a qualifying offer this fall, while there is almost zero chance Jaime would receive one.

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    Also it looks like the Twins are backing off Garcia due to his injury history.

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    Maybe Girsch is a better negotiator than Mozeliak, but after seeing what the Cardinals got from the Braves for Garcia and Adams, unless a bidding war breaks out, I don’t see the Cardinals extracting maximum value for Lynn…I am sure other teams have studied Mozeliak’s trading patterns and will probably offer something comparable to what he would offer them…

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    Lynn should be traded if they have no interest in long term contract end of story

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    Translation: “come get him boys…”

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    I don’t want to trade Lynn unless we get a really good prospect back. I would like to see the Nationals make an offer to the Cardinals for Lynn, and others, that would include Robles and Kieboom. I’d rather watch Lynn pitch in St. Louis for the rest of the year if we don’t get an offer something like that. We already have enough good prospects. Get a great prospect or let him stay here and pitch and win games.

    • This reply was modified 2 years ago by Avatar mudville.
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    I agree has to be better than 2nd rounder or no point..

    But the “we have prospects” argument is a nonstarter. It is a numbers game. More wins.

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    Are you saying that the more prospects we have, the better the chance of finding a future star player? If not, tell me what the you mean by numbers game. I’m not arguing anything. Just wanting to understand.

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    Yes. Also injuries, depth and future trades.

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    Maybe Girsch is a better negotiator than Mozeliak, but after seeing what the Cardinals got from the Braves for Garcia and Adams, unless a bidding war breaks out, I don’t see the Cardinals extracting maximum value for Lynn…I am sure other teams have studied Mozeliak’s trading patterns and will probably offer something comparable to what he would offer them…

    What do you think was appropriate value for Garcia? We got Gant, Ellis, and Dykstra…Gant is pitching pretty well in Memphis and looks like a long-term asset in the least. Ellis is doing a lot better in Springfield than he did earlier in the year. May have something there too. Meanwhile, the Braves got Huascar Ynoa, a 19-year old in rookie ball, described as “a nice, low-level flier with a chance to max out as a league-average starter.” (Yawn)

    Then you have Adams who didn’t have anyplace to fit on this team and wasn’t hitting well either at the time. We got a $1M bonus kid that hopefully can play 3B one day. He is at least in A-ball and one of the younger players on the team.

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    I would be disappointed with any trade with Kansas City. I have no interest in any of their minor leaguers including Mondesi who had stalled out at the major league level. The only regular major league player I would like is Hosmer so we would have to do something about Carpenter.

    Duffy appears to be the strongest starter but I don’t see any advantage in picking him up. I don’t know the contract status of either Duffy or Hosmer and I know that would play a role in any deal.

    I would rather count on our scouting department to select a better second round draft pick any minor league guy we could pick up from Kansas City.

    • This reply was modified 2 years ago by Avatar SoonerinNC.
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    I really really hope that those teams just call and make an offer

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