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    Hard for me to fathom that somebody thinks that the newly acquired O’Neill might be the big bat in our lineup. You cant be serious, whoever wrote that???

    We need to go after Stanton in the off-season, hammer and tong. Stick him in the cleanup spot and our lineup takes on a whole new look. And since Martinez is obviously NOT the ace we are looking for we need to find one. With our glut of players who have the so-called “High Ceiling” we should have a number of players to part with and do what it takes to get what we need.

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    We will go after Stanton in the offseason, then he will be traded to another team. Afterwards Mo will come out and say we offered Piscotty for Stanton as long as the Marlins paid the rest of Stantons contract. I don’t know why Miami didn’t take that deal. We tried really hard to improve the team but we aren’t just going to make a trade for the sake of making a trade.

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    Well, that is one way to interpret it, but it sounded like the Cardinals had actually lined up trades and could have pulled the trigger. So, who came to their senses? Was this DeWitt stepping in and saying guys, we have more than one issue to fix?

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    Well, that goes to roster construction. We had the best leadoff hitter in the game in terms of OBP, a person who notoriously has slumped when not hitting leadoff the last few years and instantly snaps out of it once he is put back in the leadoff spot.

    We lost Holliday, who was our #3 hitter, and replaced him with a leadoff hitter. Everybody besides the front office knew we needed a #3 or #4 hitter. But the front office doesn’t like trades, so we got a leadoff hitter who brings down the defense he was supposed to bring up.

    Maybe the front office will learn that they need to start trying to improve the team every year, maybe they won’t. But the decision makers just got promotions, and the Cardinals are on pace to draw more than 3 million fans, so we’ll probably have to go through one more mediocre season before real changes occur.

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    Do you want to put your money on Stanton being in the lineup in 2018 – or Ty O’Neill? Good business people don’t take on Stanton’s contract. Taking it on would be fiscally irresponsible.

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    Or you could say that good business people would have made some trades and tried to make the team more profitable…

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    Not really if you get them to take Fowler back and kick in, say, $5 million per year over the last four years of the deal.

    There will come a point where putting mediocre teams on the field will cost the Cardinals more than paying players and constructing a proper lineup.

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    They signed a leadoff hitter and did improve the defense, just not in CF. Fowler has not been getting on base like he was expected to but he has been hitting with more power than expected.

    As far as Carpenter hitting 3rd or leadoff, there is a belief that he has been hitting much better as a leadoff hitter. However, in the first 13 games he hit leadoff this year, he hit .400/.542/.844/1.387. Since then, he has hit .262/.374/.385/.759 as a leadoff hitter. When he was hitting 3rd, he hit .226/.360/.440/.801. That is not much different than his last 148 PAs as leadoff other than BA.

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    Good business people measure success by ROI. The Cards have a formula for how much they will pay a player based upon runs produced and runs prevented. That formula has produced one of the most successful franchises in MLB over the past 2 decades. The Stantons of the world are way outside the formula. Dream on if you wish.

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    Every home playoff game generates about $3.2 million in revenue for the owners.

    The incremental cost between Fowler and Stanton is $10 million per year. That’s 3 home playoff games.

    Win a world series, you have boost in ticket sales, advertising and merchandise for a year….

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    Oh, and I would’ve rather had Marcell Ozuna, but the Cardinals front office doesn’t have the cajones to make real trades, which is why we are stuck with Fowler for 4 more years.

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    So, bccran – what is the ROI of paying Fowler $6 million more per year than any other team was willing to offer him, AND giving him an extra year if you miss the playoffs?

    What is the ROI of paying Cecil an amount that everybody said would “redefine” the market for relievers when he has allowed the second highest percentage of inherited runners to score and has had two stretches where he just couldn’t get anybody out?

    What is the ROI of the $24 million the Cardinals invested in those players only to miss the playoffs because of them?

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