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People are always surprised that when wages are increased, demand for labor goes down. Econ 101.
The owners know where the stuff with MiLB is headed, and they are bring proactive (or possibly just flexing in advance of negotiations). This is how the real world works. I don’t like it any more than the next guy, but at least guys won’t have to chase their dreams in poverty, they can give up on them and get careers.
That baseball hasn’t figured out that it’s HOF voting process is so flawed that it must be scrapped and re-done is an indictment on Cooperstown itself. I mean, the first unanimously selected player was a reliever. I love Rivera, but that’s a red flag.
It has basically become a place for moral preening and idiocy. There’s a better way, and 5 drunks in a bar could come up with one before they finish their first beer.
Sorry for quickly quoting Cot’s published numbers. I hope you guys can forgive me for my transgression. I forget how much fun you guys are sometimes.
Unless the “correct total” for 2010 is also $160, then my point remains. Payroll keeps going up despite people here claiming otherwise.
I got the $197 from Cot’s.
https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league-central/st-louis-cardinals/
It was all just a bunch of smoke folks. Dewitt just came out and said we’re not adding payroll.
This same thing gets posted here every single year dozens of times. And yet the payroll, from the beginning of 2010 to to the end of 2019 has gone from $94 million to over $197 million. I can’t figure out how that happens when we never raise payroll.
I think it’s okay, as a fan, to comment about perceived payroll mistakes. Heck, I think it’s okay to call owners cheap. It can get a little tiresome when that’s all some people talk about, but that’s okay, too. But I am also not going to take shots at a player’s character for him making more money than I think he should have been paid. Yadi has become a punching bag for some people around here, and that amazes me.
Gives us something to talk about when the weather is cold.
The fans love him. Don’t forget, DeWitt isn’t running a charity. The atmosphere that the Cardinals have is a positive thing, even if it means paying more for players who aren’t “earning it” on the field. Yadi brings a lot to the table, even analytics people will admit that he brings value that they can’t properly measure that is helpful to the W/L record.
Taking care of your guys is not a bad things. Yadi being overpaid for his WAR is way down the list of negative things on our payroll.
Why do the Cardinals do it? It is because of legacy. There can be no other reason.
When you go to games, you must sit on the front row. Otherwise, you’d see that the stadium is littered with Molina jerseys. He brings value, even if you can’t see it.
I find the Yadi-as-a-villain theme here to be amusing. The Cardinals should really try to stop having loyal, whole-career superstars. If I had to guess, people were saying similar about Wainwright last year before he shut them up.
Shildt mentioned that Carp would be trying to hit to all fields this year.
Did he also mention that our fielders are going to try to use two hands when fielding ground balls this year, and our batters will try to be balanced in their stance?
Geez, you have to love when they announce that players are going to try to use fundamentals.
Minuteman, that was androstenedione that they saw in his locker. And because the media and the public was so amazingly ignorant about steroids and other supplements, many used that to show he was using steroids. Andro was a (going from fading memory now) synthetic precursor to something that would, if converted in the body, act much like anabolic steroids. It was trash, and every study I saw showed it to be (I will quote Sheldon from Big Bang Theory) the ingredients for really expensive urine. It didn’t work at all.
But the thing about them seeing that bottle which is funny to me, is that it was likely planted by McGwire – because anyone doing steroids wouldn’t be doing andro. It would make zero sense.
But McGwire has admitted to using steroids, so it is all moot now.
Thought so, ATSOTC……as you fit right in with those 3 Amigos.
Indeed. Those cantankerous old goats would love to hear from you if you’d reach out. You still in Milwaukee?
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/4740/under-the-knife-amphetamines-and-baseball/
The shadow of steroids may still hang dark over the game, but the key story of 2006 is likely to be amphetamines. Whether they’re obtained illegally (the fabled greenies, beans and uppers) or legally (various attention-deficit disorder drugs), amphetamines and similar performance-enhancing substances have penetrated the game in ways that steroids never came close to doing. During a recent discussion with a team staffer, I claimed that 75% of major-league players used banned amphetamines during the course of a season. “More,” was his immediate response.
https://www.razorgator.com/blog/remember-when-everyone-in-the-mlb-was-using-greenies/
In an interview with Paul Lo Duca about his days with the Dodgers and other MLB teams, he said that most guys today would probably prefer greenies over steroids if given the choice. He reminisced on days when one pot of coffee in the clubhouse would be regular coffee and one would be loaded with greenies – all you needed was a shot of it to be good for the whole day. When one of the security guards at Dodger Stadium drank a cup of the wrong stuff, he turned red in the face and had to be taken to the hospital.
If you think greenies went away in 1971, then it isn’t just ignorance, it is willful ignorance.
Here are the first three articles that come up in a google search for “amphetamine use in baseball” (so I’m honestly shocked that you feel I’m coming out of left field, pun intended, on this):
https://www.espn.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kreidler_mark&id=2225013
people in and around baseball have been trying — almost routinely without success — to drag their use out into the light of day for years and years.
The stimulants have been steadily mentioned ever since, too — but almost never by anyone in the midst of his career. A retired Tony Gwynn spoke openly of baseball’s amphetamine problem in 2003, estimating for The New York Times that 50 percent of position players were using them routinely, many of them before almost every game.
I don’t know who you referenced by citing your “elders,” but I invited you then, and invite you now, to provide one article, one link to any scrap of concrete evidence, or even anecdotal ex-player confessorial evidence, of the “commonplace” use of greenies at any point AFTER the ban by Bowie Kuhn in 1971. You provided no evidence then, and now two more months have passed.
If I’m ignorant or naïve, then please enlighten me. Enlighten all of us.
Sorry I missed that two months ago. I honestly thought it was common knowledge (I still do, as you will see in the articles below).
Also, the idea that MLB had a “formal drug policy” in 1971, when they were not allowed to test players for them for another 35 years is comical.
By the way, did you know that Barry Bonds failed a drug test for amphetamines? Bet you didn’t, because people want to ignore the fact that amphetamines are and were a PED that significantly helped players.
Not trying to butt in but I currently have steroid shots in both shoulders and two in my back but I don’t feel buzzed, just free of a lot of pain.
That is a corticosteroid (likely cortisone), and that is very different from anabolic steroids. Very different effects on the body.
Anabolic steroids, the type that mudville seems to be claiming to be an expert in, can give off a bit of euphoric feeling when starting your first cycle. Much like any new substance introduced in the body, this feeling wanes, and it certainly isn’t still going when you are in the batter’s box staring down the pitcher.
Public perception of how anabolic steroids help baseball players has long been of great comedy to those who’ve been in the know of the players who’ve used them.
The funny thing is that the effect that mudville describes sounds a lot more like the effect that greenies gave to players for decades. But we will never criticize those guys, because “amphetamines aren’t nearly as helpful as steroids.”
If the Cardinals were being tipped on what pitches were coming this past season, then we are in trouble. We definitely had no clue in the NLCS. We looked like a drunk man trying to swat flies.
tripleshy – Get your hands on some steroids and try it for yourself. You’ll see.
I’m not getting on here talking about what I have and haven’t done, but you seem to think that the movie the Program was a documentary. It was not. And it is even different for a baseball player.
