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So the players want a 114 game season.
The owners now want 50-60 games season that basically put the payout to the players at almost the same % of the original proposal which the players rejected.
I was on the fence on an 80 game season. 60 games seems like not enough ball or they want to stall and play later in the season until there’s a chance fans can start attending. I mean there’s no way NFL is coming back without some sort of fans in the seats.
All I know is we got a lot of pitching teams would seriously look at. Especially if Martinez was left unprotected.
You can stop wondering. Springfield has been described by some as a participation town with a huge high school football and basketball following. Participation is a nice way to describe being CHEAP. Landers would have free ticket giveaways to boost the attendance. It was not as it was discribed in the articles at times. It was not always packed. Maybe on the weekends or when the Cubs A team played here or a good prospect but it wasn’t always attended well.
Also I heard rumblings the Cardinals wanted out and knew the city wouldn’t back down from it’s piece of the pie for the billboards and wanted a way out to somewhere more lucrative. MWL didn’t have much of a footprint in the area’s it does now like Dayton or Ohio or the suburbs of Chicago. When South Bend joined things started changing and Springfield was behind the times.
Since then its not just the Cardinals who left. That town had WBL team that didn’t get support, the owners of the Sultans didn’t get it partially because they didn’t want to give it away.Yes the affiliate was an issue. They didn’t support the Illini when they had the 5 games when Assembly Hall was under renovation. BOS Center lost money because local people just didn’t support it. They also lost an LPGA event they had for almost 3 decades because State Farm dropped out and no local businessone wanted to foot the bill and no one nationally wanted to sponsor a tour in Springfield. They’ve even had 2 high school teams move from the football stadium next door to Lanphier Park figuring they could profit and not deal with the city and it’s dilapidated facilities. It’s all good when someone else is paying for the party but when that community is asked to put up some coin hands are for sure in pants pockets.
Politics play a part because it’s theCapital. Health Care and Schools are also the main jobs. There’s a lot of people who are comfortable with what they do and are content sitting on a bar stool drinking the cheapest things they can find at the local bar or at home, watching sports and relive old school trophies and feel important.
The city residents wouldn’t back then and sure wouldn’t 5-10 years and up until today agree to a tax to finance a new minor league ballpark. There’s too much divide between sides of town, racial lines, political, money and I’ll even boil it down Cubs-Cardinal lines. There’s a lot of secret hate going on. Little Fires Everywhere but it comes down to is the city residents would never back a tax increase to pay for it. Maybe they’d get something done 10-15 years ago if they built it on the west end but too late now. Everyone’s comfy with going down to St. Louis or up to Chicago for a game or hanging in a circle of friends and feeling safe.May 13, 2020 at 11:53 am in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #128529
I believe I had read speculation that the NL Central teams would play each other more often than they would play the AL Central teams, but I do not recall the math behind it. Who knows? They might bake in a distance formula, with closer teams playing more often… Seems like it would present a real challenge to lock in any schedule until you know which cities you are allowed to play in…
Could be they play the NL Central 18 times and then 2 game sets against the AL Central.
I think the owners have realized that there’s only so much they can do. They can only handle what they handle within the wall of each facility and office space. It’s really on the players and people employed by the team to adhere to stay at home, wash hands regularly, sanitize, limit interaction to the people within the place they live and limit interaction with the public.
Oh and as far as players getting The Rona. I fully expect at least a handful especially in places that have loose enforcement and loose restrictions (such as Texas) to pop up. What they do for a plan in place was pretty much spelled out in March when they already said that they didn’t expect if a case popped up in a clubhouse to effect much in regards to game play. I mean they’ve talked about expanding players available to around 50. I think that’s pretty much the plan. You have your roster of 28-30 people and if a couple guys go down with the Rona for 14 days you have replacements available away from the team to step in. Sanitize that clubhouse and dugout, test all remaining team members and on to the next one.
Right now it appears that LA is on lockdown for 3 more months. How they work around that is anyones guess.
The end of the Passan article is interesting.
For one, union lawyers believe they’re in the right legally when it comes to guaranteeing players’ prorated salary. The March agreement contains a Player Compensation and Benefit section that does not specifically address a reduction in salary if games are played in front of no fans.
That said, on Page 1 of the agreement, the first point of the Resumption of Play section includes the words: “(T)he 2020 championship season shall not be commenced unless and until each of the following conditions is satisfied.” One of those conditions ends with: “(T)he Office of the Commissioner and Players Association will discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or at appropriate substitute neutral sites.”
The first sentence of the compensation section begins with the clause: “If and when the conditions exist for the commencement of the 2020 championship season … ” — language similar to that on the first page.
When asked by ESPN to interpret the language, four longtime labor lawyers who work for neither MLB nor the union adopted different positions. Two said the similarity in the language made it clear that those sections were meant to be tied together. One agreed with the union’s interpretation that anything about compensation changing should have been written explicitly. The fourth called any potential grievance on the matter a toss-up.
A big issue now is that it was not put in writing if the first agreement on prorated salaries covers games played in empty stadiums. The players say yes, but the owners say no. Hence the owners will push for a lower percent of pay if they can re-start, since it is assumed they won’t have gate revenue, just the TV money.
It is crazy they did not get this clarified from the start.
We saw this coming almost a month ago.May 10, 2020 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #128325
I thought the regional schedule was coming. It’s just a better way to keep from exposing players. Honestly they’d make it even safer if the the teams just played within each division and have no inter league but that may be too stale for some.
Also I would assume they’d expand the rosters but not to 40. My guess is it’ll be the 40 man that they’ll use to round out a roster of 28 players. They want to change
Matter of fact the Padres are selling tickets for early May. lol
clarify, 858, did you buy Cardinals tickets, request a refund and was denied?
Oh sorry! Seeing as I reside in San Diego. Ever since 2007 I’ve partaken in every Padres opening day. This year I purchased 2 tickets and as of a few days ago I haven’t seen anything on how the money will be compensated. It’s not a huge deal but I would like to know how they intend on reimbursement.
Thankfully I didn’t purchase any other tickets for my trip home this week. I figured Stubhub would be an easy place during the week and I’d considered driving up to Milwaukee for the Sunday night game and taking my nephew and my buddy and his son and playing hookie from his on-line curriculum on Monday.
From what I’ve heard on radio. Skip is a very respected and valuable member of the Padre organization. The players like him and someone high in the organization must have thought so as well for him to be retained.
I guess Boras was on radio today somewhere and said all his clients are on board with a 30 day quarrentine. Is 30 days enough time for an abbreviated ST and start the games in Arizona?
I would think they’d like to get in 1 week of workouts and 3 weeks worth of ST before the actually season starts.
They know the backlash if the Yankee fanbase got a hold of this. You think Houston was bad. lol
Honestly I think they just want to move on from this. How it took so long to announce this idk. Maybe it was a “oh we forgot about Boston”. Hell I didn’t know it was 4/20 on Monday until the night before. That’s what this pandemic has done more than anything else. I’ve lose a sense of time and day.
858, interesting theory. I guess what you are suggesting if that MLB gives MiLB teams say $50 million in bailout money, for example, MLB can tell the players that is $50 million more unexpected expense this year with no revenue attached. Justification to ask the players to take less…
It might just be smoke but it’s something to watch but yeah the owners can use the excuse they needed to bail out the minors where almost all of the players started or it could be catastrophic to the infrastructure of player development moving forward. Basically we used some of your reduction to bail out the minor leagues who likely won’t be playing at all in 2020.
Also I understand Manfred serves at the pleasure of the owners. I use him as a figurehead.
One more thing for everyone and just not Mr. Walton. If they do decide to go through with this 3 state plan or just Arizona for ST and the start of the season. How many players are they going to bring to Spring Training? My thought would be the 40 man correct in case of a rash of injuries. Also I understand they may expand rosters to 28-30 guys. What would they do with the rest of the 40 man? They can’t just stand around. Could they do something similar to the AFL where 2-3 teams can combine the ones left off the roster onto a team?
They got my money as well.
Manfred gets his wish.
Have to wonder how much financial relief they get and I wonder if the MLBPA is keeping an eye on this? After all they want the players to take a bigger pay cut if they don’t have fans.
The Forbes article was interesting.
I think the owners know if if by some miracle fans are allowed back they perception is that people will hesitate to gather for large events. Thus revenue is lost. So they seem to want to find a way to save a buck.
Players on the other hand will try and squeeze every penny out of this. I think they understand that some sort of prorated salary based on games plays is inevitable but then again a player doesn’t sign based on how many people will show up. They see it as I should get paid no matter if 40,000 or 40 or 0 show up.
Is their any middle ground? IDK but some side is going to have to give a little bit to get it going. Right now the players have no motivation to do so because they’re getting paid no matter what until the end of May but we might see some frantic activity in a 2-3 weeks when both sides really need to figure out if they want to do this.April 17, 2020 at 7:35 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #126945
That’s our lovable commish for ya.
The managers and coaches aren’t a part of the MLBPA correct?
Go to the ER minuteman3!April 16, 2020 at 7:52 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #126827
That is what I have been saying. If they start in Arizona then they should finish in Arizona. An empty ballpark is an empty ballpark no matter how many seats it holds
The players with families won’t go for it. One of the main concerns is that the player polled recently almost all of them don’t want to be away from their families for 3-4 months being quarrentined. If they resume with an abbreviated ST in Arizona and start the season there (say 6 weeks) they could be able to transition back to there cities for the most part and be back with their families. Sure it would be tough monitoring players practicing social distancing away from AZ but at this point you know that this might not be contained for quite a bit. So it you get antsy you already know the risks.
The LA Times article is banning large gathering of people like music festivals,beer festivals ect…Santa Anita Racetrack is set to meet with The LA Dept of Public Health this week to show a proposal on how they think they can begin practicing and racing with no fans and keep the jockeys and trainers safe. Granted the horses drop like flies up there but this is people related.
I don’t think we’ll see any fans in the stands for any sporting events for quite a long time. The football fanatics might jump off a cliff over that one.April 13, 2020 at 7:42 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #126595
I heard a portion of the Passan Article. It seems it very well may be Arizona or bust. I think MLB caught a lot of flack for the May start up idea and backtracked but I think this has been the plan all along. Start in Arizona for ST and Regular Season and then have the teams play in empty stadiums upon returning home when it’s safe for the rest of the year. That was the other thing I heard as well. No fans will be allowed.
Is Monterrey out of the discussion now?April 13, 2020 at 2:51 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #126580
How about ‘virtual baseball’ like NASCAR has virtual racing and it is actually working.
I don’t know how well it’s working for NASCAR. They just suspended a guy for using a racial slur during one of those races. You might find out some things about your favorite players you may not like.
I thought they were saving Vegas and Montreal for The A’s and Rays?
Remember when Buffalo was seriously considered for an MLB franchise back in the day?April 10, 2020 at 7:43 pm in reply to: Resumption of spring training/regular season/playoff format #126465
My thought originally was that Arizona should’ve been a springboard for not only ST but the regular season and then a return to the original cities. I didn’t assume that it would just play the whole season in Arizona. That won’t work and it appears the players aren’t buying it due to being away from families for months and emergency were they to happen. Also clearly some area’s are affected more than Others. I wouldn’t assume NYC team or anywhere else in the grasp of this would even be close to a return before July 1st.
IDK what to do but they need to have something in place no later than Mother’s day if they want at least 100 game played with an abbreviated ST.
Again there’s also a financial aspect to all this people forget. They may have a plan that most on both sides agree on but you know money is going to be the sticking point. I think the owners are going to want some sort of good homie discount playing an abbreviated season and the players are going to fight tooth and nail to get as much as possible.