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I don’t know if will come in to play during the regular season but Shildt seems interested in taking a look at Yadi batting 4th. This is the second or third time this spring he has tried it.
I am not an advocate of trying to hurt someone intentionally but I am ok with sending a message. As TLR used to say keep it below the shoulders and it is part of the game. If the Astros think they are going to be able to play the sympathy card then good luck with that. Bob Gibson would show these punks a thing or two if he thought they were stealing signs off of him.
The Astros are playing their third spring training game today.
Five Astros have been hit by pitches through two spring training games and one inning of Game No. 3.
— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) February 25, 2020
If Thomas cant cut it and you need a different CF you slide Fowler over.
I wouldn’t do that under any circumstances. I would rather see Edman or O’Neill in CF than Fowler.
I am fine with either Ravelo or Sosa as the 26th man but I agree with Brian that Ravelo makes a little more sense. The signing of Miller was an indication that the Cardinal brass want someone more significant on the bench than Sosa or Munoz.
I will go onto say that I predict we are going to look back on it and say that the Miller and Kim signings were very shrewd steals for the Cardinals. They didn’t cost much money and I expect big contributions from both.
Carlson would have to have a in his prime Pujuols like spring to go north with the team. I think it is in everyone’s best interest if he starts in Memphis.
I missed the game today because I attended the Arkansas basketball win over Mizzou.
Glad to see the Cards won. Looking at the box score it appears it was a good day for O’Neill, Carp, and all of the pitchers.
The Tulsa Drillers are a Dodger affiliate. The team that pulled the plug on the law firm is in Corpus Christi.
I am glad I don’t work in the Astro PR Dept. A lot of discord in their organization.
I don’t recall anyone saying that no playoff caliber teams are free from dead payroll, whether it is subjective or objective. Of course they have it.
But if you really want to make this a Cardinals vs Dodgers debat then let’s look at it. According to Cot’s the Dodgers dead payroll is $14.5M (Edwards includes an additional $7M due to Maeda’s performance bonuses but we don’t know how many, if any, will be met). The Cardinals would have $4M in dead money to Leake. This is advantage Cardinals.
What conclusions should we come to by having this information? Well the Dodgers have had some busts in the international market mostly. I am guessing the point of this thread was to illustrate how the Dodger front office is not as great as I make it out to be since my praise of Friedman seems to be a source of irritation.
I still believe that the two front offices have a lot of similarities, and have repeatedly said that should be taken as a compliment to Mozeliak and Co. Let’s look at those similarities:
1. A philosophy of building from within: Cardinals- yes, Dodgers-yes
2. A philosophy of retaining your own veterans: Cardinals-yes, Dodgers-yes
3. A philosophy of supplementing with trades: Cardinals-yes, Dodgers-yes
4. A philosophy of avoiding large FA contracts from outside players: Cardinals-yes, Dodgers-yes
5. A philosophy of utilizing the international market/draft: Cardinals-yes, Dodgers-yes
6. A philosophy of avoiding long term contracts in general: Cardinals-yes, Dodgers-yes
7. A willingness to bump payroll up to the CBT: Cardinals-no, Dodgers-yes
So the only big difference I see is the willingness to go close to the CBT, which could be because the Dodgers have more revenue and also the fact they haven’t won the WS since 1988, therefore are under more pressure to show urgency.
I may be missing some points so please correct me where I am wrong. Again, the two front offices being similar is a good thing. I don’t know why that is such an irritating thought. I am no Dodger fan but I have appreciation for well ran organizations and I think they are one even if they are under a WS drought. My praise of Friedman doesn’t have to be viewed as a put down to Mozeliak. They are both similar in my view which is a compliment.
No doubt that the objective approach is more straight forward. I think I referenced that in my original comments. But in reality, if you have payroll on your roster that you are getting very limited production from and it is preventing you from adding to your roster, and you can’t remove it without eating a portion, then you should take it into account somehow, whether you want to call it “dead payroll”, “semi-dead payroll”, “burdensome payroll”, etc….
Again, I am not sure what exact criteria to use but I know it is there somewhere. Saying that the Cardinals only have $4M in dead payroll is true by Edwards definition but it seems a little misleading if one comes to the conclusion that the other $160M payroll is unburdensome.
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Some of have voiced concern for the Astro players who might face retaliation this year but this guy, who had the guts to speak up and do the right thing, is facing death threats.
If Cecil and Carpenter come out and play like gangbusters I would be glad to remove them from my dead payroll list but I will believe it when I see it. I would give Carpenter a better chance than Cecil of accomplishing that.
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I have checked with HULU and YoutubeTV but I would get FOXSouthwest instead of FoxMidwest. Because I am in the Cardinals territory, games are blacked out unless I have FoxMidwest. For example, Cardinal games on MLB network were still blacked out.
That is similar to my situation. I have explored cutting the cord many times but always come back to the same dilemma. The only way I can get FSM is through my cable provider.
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Here are the current 25 man payrolls per Cots. These figures are a little different than the CBT payroll for each team because they are calculated differently.
1. Yankees- 242.7
2. Dodgers- 217.9
3. Astros- 210.6
4. Red Sox- 191.2
5. Cubs- 184.1
6. Phillies- 176.5
7. Nationals- 175.5
8. Angels- 175.5
9. Mets- 174.4
10. Cardinals- 164.9
11. Giants- 154.2
12. Rockies- 150.5
13. Rangers- 147.9
14. Braves- 147.4
15. Padres- 144.3
16. Reds- 141.4
17. Twins- 134.5
18. White Sox- 123.0
19. Dbacks- 118.4
20. Blue Jays- 104.3
21. Tigers- 102.1
22. Mariners- 96.7
23. Brewers- 95.5
24. A’s- 92.4
25. Indians- 90.6
26. Royals- 78.6
27. Marlins- 68.9
28. Rays- 67.5
29. Orioles- 59.7
30. Pirates- 56.9
Yep, I was referring to the bloated mess he inherited when he took over, such as albatross contracts like Crawford, Ethier, and Kemp. Although yes it is correct that some of their international signings in recent years have been busts.
Since he took over the payrolls have been (per Cots):
And they have a lot of flexibility since none of their current contracts go past 2022.
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Let’s see. You take shots at Goold, even on a thread in which he has no place. Yet, no one chides you for restating your position on him here.
I was making a comparison of different reporting styles. I would call that an opinion not a cheap shot.
Yet when someone else criticizes a reporter who actually has something to do with the topic, you not only rush to defend him, but you also drag another subject who has nothing to do with the Astros cheating into this discussion (Scott Boras).
I also stated that Heyman was being inconsistent in his portrayals, which shouldn’t be interpreted as a defense.
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Friedman inherited a big mess payroll wise for sure and he has made it a little better each year.
My definition of dead payroll is a little different than Edwards although his definition is much more objective. For example, I think an argument could be made that at least a certain percentage of money owed to Cecil, Fowler, and Carpenter is dead money although I don’t know what that percentage is. To know if a player’s salary is “dead weight” or not ask yourself if that player could be traded to another team without paying the contract down first?
For me – they cut the head off the snakes. It is impossible to prove anything further. Play Ball.
Wishing like crazy that this issue would just go away isn’t going to make it go away. I suspect the Astros will continue to get pummeled (figuratively and literally) for quite some time.
Did you lose focus on the real issues? I will restate them.
I am aware of the issues and I think it is fair to say that the national sportswriter in question has been all over the map in covering it. On page 20 of this thread he is quoted more than once in blasting the Astros but now he appears to be defending some of them. I am just saying that he isn’t the real story. The real story is still the cheaters.
I think Heyman has been very critical of the Astros over and over through this saga so it seems strange to divert attention away from the actual cheaters and try to make him the bad guy unless there is some other agenda.
February 20, 2020 at 9:57 am in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2019-2020 #123050
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FWIW, I agree with your second sentence/conclusion, but I don’t see how the payroll/prospect dynamic was affected by Mikolas’ injury. To me, this trade idea makes no more or less sense after than before.
I wasn’t really linking the Mikolas injury to the payroll/prospect dynamic. I was just pointing out that we could have used Pederson/Stripling before the injury and the reason why I don’t think the trade will happen is also the same pre/post Mikolas injury.
No, my comment was not a generic one. I have said many times that Scott Boras is very good at his job. So are national reporters Ken Rosenthal, Jeff Passan and many others. Then there is Jon Heyman. One is not like the others. All IMO, of course.
Fair enough. I don’t disagree that Heyman is a tool for certain agents but the main reason I follow him on twitter is that he does seem to specialize in getting contract details out there quickly and I like that because I like to keep payroll information in spreadsheets to analyze. It will make it to the others eventually but he is usually first.
I also like that he actually talks baseball unlike our local boy Goold who seems to despise it even though it is job.
Rosenthal is a good one no doubt.
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