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I agree with your thoughts stl25. This season has been a success overall. If anyone had told us in the middle of the year we would be NLC champs and playing in the NLCS 99% of us would have been thrilled to take it. Of course it would be nice to at least put up a fight against the Nationals. The last three games have been rather embarrassing from an offensive point of view.
This has been an overachieving team that has won with pitching and defense. Nothing wrong with that but to advance all the way you do have to have more offense.
Like I have said many times before I am just not seeing any easy way out of this offensive funk the next couple of years UNLESS:
1. We get rebound seasons from guys like Carp, DeJong, Fowler, Bader, and even Goldy.
2. The front office gets creative and finds takers for Carp and Fowler.
3. Ownership sanctions a big increase in payroll so we can try to mask over our problems with spending like the Cubs and Red Sox have tried to do.
What are the odds any of those three will happen? I would say very low.
Is it possible the Rockies would trade Wade Davis for Fowler and cash , or a prospect?
I’m sure the Rockies would love to move Davis. He was terrible in 2019 after being a fearsome closer in years past. He and Fowler have similar money left on their contracts. If I were the Cardinals I might consider a one for one trade but I wouldn’t see the need to add cash and a prospect. Fowler was better than Davis in 2019.
Fowler used to play for the Rockies and I’m not sure they would want him roaming the most expansive outfield in MLB along with another subpar OF in Blackmon, but if they were interested in a one for one bad contract swap I would consider that.
Interesting in depth piece of journalism. Now that Maddon is gone there won’t be anyone else for Theo to blame if the Cubs falter again.
Won’t Stop Believing: Theo Epstein confident ‘we’re the right group’ to fix Cubs — but is he right? https://t.co/hUTOgewks2 via @SunTimes
— Gordon Wittenmyer (@GDubCub) October 12, 2019
I am not surprised Dusty Baker is being considered. He has won everywhere he has been. I was shocked the Nats fired him after winning 98 games the year before. He has won with the Giants, Cubs, Reds, and Nats. Took all of them to the playoffs.
I know the trend is to hire a guy in his early 40’s who has never managed before so the analytic guys in the front office can tell him every move to make but maybe hiring an old school guy once in a while is the way to go.
Yanks are 4-0 this postseason so far. They are looking like a machine right now.
Mo and the rest of those in charge will probably want the team kept intact for next year. Their reasoning is that most players had bad years this year save Wong, Molina, and Edman. Goldschmidt, Ozuna, DeJong, Carpenter, Fowler, and Bader all had bad years. They will argue they expect them to return to normalcy next year and that could propel the Cards to bigger and better things.
There could be some logic behind that reasoning. But then again, Ozuna may fly the coop so who knows.
I agree Rat. I have saying the same thing for weeks. Everyone out there who thinks we are going after Cole, Rendon, Betts, or Lindor are going to be sorely disappointed because it isn’t happening. Due to ill timed contract extensions, bad contracts with no trade clauses, and some dead weight on the payroll, I don’t anticipate a lot of transactions over the winter. There will be a few moves but nothing huge.
With the amounts coming off the books in the next 2 years, they could bump payroll for 1 year and it could drop back down over the next 2 years.
They could do that but the problem is once you bump payroll up to a certain level it is hard to bring it back down again because fans expect payroll to go up each year. I am afraid that most of our fans would forget about the temporary increase and would rage against the ensuing austerity. I think this is why the Cardinals usually have small incremental increases each year.
As we have talked about before we have really handcuffed ourselves with Carp extension, Mikolas extension, and Fowler contract, not to mention the dead money of Cecil and Leake. We are just going to have to suck it up for a couple of more years until those contracts are gone.
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Stop complaining. There is everything good about this Playoff run.
The Cardinals have very much exceeded my expectations this year but please stop shaming people for voicing concerns. This is a message board. It is going to happen. If all we did was pat each other on the back 24/7 it would get kind of boring, people would stop posting, and Brian would be out of a job. None of us want that to happen.
Life is not always daffodils and lollipops. The Cards are in the NLCS which is an outstanding achievement but even the most objective observer would have to say this is a far from perfect team. We are basically a slightly above average team who has come through in clutch situations and overachieved some. We have lived on the edge all season, clinched the division on the very last day, won the NLDS in the 5th and deciding game, etc….
I think the key is to be balanced. I don’t like all negative posts and I don’t like all positive posts because neither is reflective of reality. There are ups and downs and there is nothing wrong with describing both.
Poor game last night. Moving on. Let’s do this! I’ll be watching from my tailgate at the UK-Arkansas game later today. My friends are going to hate me.
Have fun at the game tonight. I am a UA season ticket holder. We haven’t won a SEC game in two years, which is pathetic. A once proud football program has hit rock bottom. I’m sure UK will win tonight.
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It was certainly a disappointing performance by the offense but the Cardinals have been fooling us all year. Just when we think they are toast they rise up. They can look terrible against a no-name pitcher one night then smoke the ace the next night. We have seen it happen before. If I am not mistaken we smacked Scherzer around a couple of weeks ago. This series isn’t over.
Boy things must be bad when I am the optimist of the group.
As for your assertion the Cardinals won’t raise payroll – they can go all the way to the luxury tax and not worry about it.
Yes they could but there has never been any indication they would ever do that so I don’t see why 2020 would be an exception. I like to talk about trades and free agents as much as anyone. I could do it all day, however, I prefer to talk about transactions that could be plausible instead of just wishful thinking.
The best thing for me to forget is Paul DeJong swinging at 982 sliders in a row and missing.
Just keep in mind as we discuss all of these ideas that I don’t see the Cardinals bumping their payroll beyond the 170-175M range for 2020. We are currently around 163 and will enter 2020 around 147 and that is with Ozuna, Wacha, and Waino off the books.
Personally I think guys like Cole and Rendon are out of the question unless ownership is ready to sanction a significant bump in payroll, which is highly unlikely considering they like to be incremental.
As usual Pugs nails it. While several players have contributed to where we are this team changed the day Edman got promoted. No doubt about that.
I think the Cards win this series in 6 games.
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I just hope the game tonight is a sellout. The poor attendance for game 4 of the NLDS was blamed on the weekday starting time. That may be true but I don’t recall that being a problem in past years. My guess is the fans just still aren’t quite sold on this team. An organization as proud as the Cardinals should not have empty seats for a playoff game even if it starts at 2am. Who are we, the Rays?
The three players on our roster who will be the most interesting to watch this winter are:
Marcell Ozuna
Carlos Martinez
Kolten WongOzuna will be offered the QO no doubt. Will he accept? If not, will he re-sign here or go elsewhere?
Will CMart be given orders to train as a starter or reliever? Will he be trade bait?
Will Wong be trade bait? He had a great season but we might need the payroll space and a starting spot for Edman.Other interesting names to watch are Wainwright, Wacha, JMart, Bader, O’Neill, and Wieters. I would imagine at least half of that list won’t be back.
Miley had a solid 2019. He would be ok on a short term deal, kind of like Hamels. I would probably prefer Hamels but either one would be ok. Both are solid innings eaters.
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Some of the poor results by 2018 draftees has to due with some being pushed up faster than usual.
I agree with this part Forsch. I complain a lot about our FO being too passive when it comes to acquiring upgrades from outside the organization but I also think they are way too aggressive with our internal prospects. Time and time again they promote players before they are ready, at least in my opinion. Let these kids develop! Once a player is promoted he should never have to be demoted again. If he is demoted then that is an indication he shouldn’t have been promoted in the first place.
I have no problem with Izzy and Rolen throwing out the first pitches tonight since they are new Cardinal HOF members but it is a crying shame Kozma isn’t involved. It would be very fitting.
Rat, a little rain isn’t going to keep you away from the Jasper game tonight is it? Throw on a poncho and have a few nachos at the game. You should get home in time to see the Cards score a couple of runs off Doolittle for the win!
The Nats win blew my chance at the $250K grand prize. I had a perfect bracket up until then.
Me too Mike!! I was already planning my trip to the bank deposit although those tiebreaker questions were dicey. lol
I agree Rat. I have always wanted to witness a Cardinal/Yankee World Series. The last one was 1964 which was a couple of years before my time. Maybe this is the year.
47. Darlin Moquete: This guy obliterated DSL pitching. His stats were off the charts similar to Burgos and Nunez. The question is can he do it stateside? We will find out next year. If he continues to blossom he could be a fast riser.
48. Diowill Burgos: He also obliterated DSL pitching but then cooled off once reaching the states. Sometimes the fast promotions can backfire. I haven’t given up on him at all but he needs to rebound in 2020 and I suspect he will. Another potential fast riser.
49. John Nogowski: One of my favorites in the entire system. He is the position player equivalent to Fagalde. Another blue collar low draft pick with no expectations who continues to laugh at the prospect experts as he climbs the ladder. He will be in the big leagues soon whether with St. Louis or someone else.
50. Carlos Soler: So far his production hasn’t quite matched his potential since leaving the DSL but I think this guy is very toolsy. He needs to gain some wight and continue to mature but if he can have a good Spring he might end up on the Peoria roster. Don’t be surprised if this guy takes off.
Angels should probably hire Joe Maddon fast before the Dodgers beat them to it.
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) October 10, 2019
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