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man…Lucas did just about everything he could to not have this happen to him
I think both make it to the bigs again…might not be with us, but they both seem to have good skills that should get them shots in the future!
Here’s to hoping they make it through and back to Memphis!
i am not the only one who likes Valera
my main point is in losing a potentially valuable player without potential need
I made it very clear what i was talking about…that you have turned this into a man-crush is all on you
Valera’s track record seem to show that when given ample time he becomes very valuable at the plate, maybe the Cardinals arent that place, but all i say is that losing him IF… IF …IF we have another route that doesnt involve losing him…then why not take it
also…there are no guarantees Valera is the guy to be cut anyways..going into ST MOz was high enough on him to talk about him publicly
also..Brian..dont embellish my words
Gregerson was supposed to be out a week or a few games..now it could be 4 weeks… Wainwright was supposed to miss a start or even if it was the regular season not miss a start at all then he’d play…and now it is 2 starts… both of those injuries were talked about entirely differently…for the mto SAY 4 weeks means it could be longer…and a couple starts turns into 3 or 4 pretty easily…especially with good depth like Flaherty…. if Gregerson or Wainwright need the time off AND they will need rehab games to get back caught up then i could easily stretch to close to 60 days…would Valera be needed during that time…probably not…but maybe we could work a trade out or maybe someone else will unfortunately get hurt
Reyes going on the 60day is not a stupid thought IF…they were truly going to take it easy with him…if they are playing it safe with him..why not be extra safe and save an asset which might still be useful..or at least save him until you absolutely have to lose him
Whether it is Valera or someone else it is about not getting nothign for the value and money put into the guy…if we lose him we will get nothign back and only potentially watch someone else take all that value for nothing…i dont want to do that unless we absolutely have to…
I like Pena getting the spot instead of Kelly for Kelly yo get more time…but if Valera is to go the Organization said..getting Kelly ABs every day is more important than Valera staying in the organization…hsi potential value to the organization is less valuable than Kelly getting ABs…that is their decision to make, but for a guy who has gotten the call to the bigs once and was talked about highly by the super GM or whatever MOz’s title is a month earlier… it seems a little harsh to assume he isnt worthy of roster manipulation if possible to retain
makes sense…i think you posted it in your article about the roster, but i am thinking they will push the removal as close to the deadline as possible to try to sneak whomever it is through
is there any word on perhaps Gregerson needing a LOT of time? i feel like when first reported it was nothign serious but last i heard on the telecast they said 2-4 weeks? that is a month max…and a large variance in the time…i’d guess it would require some rehabbing too…. could we just 60day him?
i am not a big fan of that, nor am i advocating it, and i think our chances to sneak anyone else through probably diminishes a lot should we not get the opening day roster chance which is rather unique…
just wondering how long Gregerson is really going to be out is all, it seems a lot worse than first reported if it could sit him for a month
when they say “delayed” how much are we talking? no way to watch live?
i was looking forward to seeing Diaz and Grichuk…maybe with a Jaime Garcia sighting too
Gyorko seems to have good haf season’s …whether it is early or late …i want to see a full year of him without a month long dryspell before is top worrying about him
Beltre would be an interesting rental…i like that idea…and shoudl Gyorko struggle too much early no (as he is capable of doing) and Munoz isnt ready for primetime or Carp’s time at 3b is not going well…then why not do it earlier?
we could use some space on the 40man and i am sure we have plenty the Rangers would like…arent they considering a 6man rotation or something?
i said it before but i am so happy to eat crow on wanting to keep Wick over Mayers…maybe it reverses again but he looks like a new guy in his new role…i am always happy to be wrong at the expense of someone else’s success
Did i miss who got cut from the 40man?
I was very impressed with Hicks too, i was worried after the first time through as it looked like a lot of guys were on him but just late to me saying they hadnt figured out their timing on him yet, but he seemed fine in the 4th…
i think he is ready as a reliever right now…if his stuff plays well the first time seeing guys i think he is ready…maybe you wait to expose him to the league until the second half if you can so they get less chances to see him but he seems to be an immpact guy for a stretch run…
also that kind of outing against who he faced raises his profile a lot IMO…and it was already high…i’d hate to lose an arm like that but if the value is there to fix something else we need then so be it
We legitimately have a shadow rotation right now that wouldnt be bad…even if untested
Reyes, Flaherty, Gant, Hudson, Hicks….with all due respect to Gomber + Helsley and the rest of the gangI don’t think many teams have anything close to that kind of quality depth that is so close…the White Sox have some impressive guys on the cusp too but even they seem a bit more spread out
seems like a blame game
if the guys don’t run test things then injuries can happen, if they test things bad things can happen some time…
also..if the fans see these guys not sprint to 1st to cover or on a grounder to second they will be called out (as well as the organization) for lack of hustle or whatever
neither injury is a big deal it seems and both even smell a bit of trying to get the youngsters a bit more time to prove who belongs and’or give the vet an extra bit of time to get ready
So is Baron still theoretically “up”?
Brebbia vs Mayers for the last pen spot unless Gregerson goes on the 10 day
still interesting to figure out who will be pushed out to make room for Pena
just read that Munoz made the team and Bader to AAA
Lucas, Voit also optioned…maybe i forgot someone else too
so who is all left in the MLB camp?
makes sense
i was also thinking about the Brewers and the Giants
Knebel seems solid but do they want to take that chance
Melancon was not good last year either…and if the Giants are pushing all in with their grabbing vets having a Holland in the mix woudl help them in a brutal NL Westthe Cardinals arent the only NL team either
Anyone can disagree with 8 man pens…there are times when i dont like it either…but i am not going to act like Matheny is the only one doing it or that he is somehow reckless by doing it or that it is some proof for condemnation for Matheny or the management
i think the Cubs could be the darkhorse
Morrow is far from a sure thing and what are they really going to lose now that they signed Darvish?
Morrow plus Holland for cheap i think fortifies their pen immensely
Ive been worrying about Gyorko for a couple weeks now too CC…
i was leaning to BAder a week ago but now i think i want Munoz…
however i wonder if we get both for the first week or two despite the eventual 8man pen coming
well it wasnt Cardinal Nation then i dont think..i think it was something else..but it was the board members
Hey all… so we started a Cardinal Nation league 10 years ago and it has survived to this day…though we just got hit with 3 managers leaving with 3 days until the draft
we need managers!
it’s a dynasty keeper league
anyone interested?
it is true that Valera is somewhat expendable…but i guess i just want him to get a better shot… i am allowed to be bias
as for Reyes to the 60day…i know he is throwing and all of that, but every time i read about him throwing i also hear almost twice as much how they are being “careful” with him
he can still throw and get ready while on the 60day with rehab games etc.
i think he is one of the best 13 we have…but then where does that put Mayers, Lucas, Sherriff, etc etc etc…they will never forever be passed…barring injury… and 60 days while Reyes gets back into the swing of things might help to further evaluate those guys in what chances they may get whether in MLB or minor league
If he wasnt playing until May at best anyways he was going to miss 30 days anyways…and i am sure that date is an estimate anyways… one extra month to be “careful” isnt the worst especially when all we hear about is the great arms we haev in addition to Reyes who are ready to produce…
the scenario where our season is dependent on Reyes being able to go May 1 seems a pretty bleak one IMO… an extra 30 days is not a lot of extra time that migth allow for another player to be kept in case other injuries happen etc.
I’d hate to lose Valera over 30days…. but if CC is right and no one woudl pick him up, then i’d love to hold onto Valera without his 40 man spot…
CC…youre right undoubtedly… however i wonder if he starts to hit this week that they dont recall him just so they dont have to lose someone else…
the idea of Reyes hitting the 60day DL IMO makes sense too as we seem flush with RP arms should any of the current ones falter…plus that faltering or failing to fill in for that falter in the first 2 months might be just what we need to do in making a final decision on who may need to leave the 40man
I feel bad for Valera right now though…i think he is the odd man out right now…
anyone think Valera would slip through to Memphis for us should we take him off?
I liek Kelly getting more playing time…i am still confused on who will be removed from the 40man though
Is there a scenario where Kelly gets more PT with the minors for the rest of ST and then still gets the backup job? Maybe sending him down was more to get him playing time right now in the minors games?seems too far off but i wonder…