January 3, 2018 at 12:20 pm #41100
I don’t understand the disinterest in Holland.January 3, 2018 at 1:54 pm #41103
Here is a Rockies’ site that earlier this off-season, put together a numbers-based view of why they hoped Colorado would not re-sign Holland.
Key issues: Lack of durability, lower fastball velocity and no long-term success record. Holland is looking for a proven closer contract based on one good year.
My observation: Colorado has spent a lot of money on relief this winter, but Holland is not among them.January 3, 2018 at 3:14 pm #41110
They did offer Holland although we don’t know what the contract was.January 9, 2018 at 8:52 am #41413
I saw that on the radio Goold said the Cardinals are definitely in on Greg Holland.
Also said that Alex Reyes opening day is planned for May 1st, which effectively takes him out of the running for a closer spot. There’s no way they’d go a month without their planned closer.January 9, 2018 at 1:53 pm #41420858booyahParticipantFree
I’m not super stoked on Holland. This could be problematic down the road.
The bullpen has to be rock solid with so many questions in the rotation.January 9, 2018 at 2:20 pm #41421
Holland looked like he was back to his old 2011-14 self for most of the year, until he blew up in August. I think he likely just ran out of gas following the 2016 TJ surgery. His August ERA was 13.50 while the rest were under 2.25. He pitched just once toward the end of Aug/beg of Sept and was solid the rest of the way, giving up just 4 hits total in September.
Matheny/Maddux would have to be really careful with him most likely.January 9, 2018 at 6:23 pm #41426
Mo had said weeks ago they were going ease in Reyes in May, implying a bullpen assignment. Not sure who started the idea he could be closer day 1, but I don’t think that was ever under serious consideration.January 9, 2018 at 8:30 pm #41441OnyxgemParticipantFree
If Holland needs taken care of with pitch counts or days in a row Matheny is the LAST coach he wants to have…January 9, 2018 at 9:40 pm #41443858booyahParticipantFree
Except he wasn’t back to his old self. No one really knows if he’ll ever get back these bue one things for sure you’ll know if you’ve got the old Greg Holland or the 2017 1.4 whip Holland with a down tick in fastball.January 10, 2018 at 10:08 am #41461
Take out August and what do you have?
Onyxgem – Not that I agree at all that Matheny abuses pitchers, but isn’t that what Mike Maddux was brought in for?January 23, 2018 at 7:54 pm #42484
Boras went on the Tim McKernan show today to sell his clients’ virtues directly to Cardinals fans. Why not try to get them stirred up?
Check Tim’s Twitter feed to read a number of Boras’ comments. Here is an example.
From Scott Boras on @TMASTL: The #STLCards have limited closer options. If you want to be in the World Series, look at many of the recent World Series winners. These indexes indicate that if you want to be a World Champion, (you need to get a closer).
I got a kick out of Keith Costas’ reply (Bob’s son):
Each of the last seven WS champions have finished the postseason with a different closer than when the regular season began, but sure…come overpay my 32-year-old client whose ERA nearly quadrupled in the second half.January 24, 2018 at 9:53 am #42509Oquendo11ParticipantFree
Love that ^^^ reply!!!January 24, 2018 at 10:47 am #42519
Well, we know that Mozeliak has crated in the past to fans’ expectations so who knows, it may work.January 24, 2018 at 10:48 am #42520thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
awesomeJanuary 24, 2018 at 11:13 am #42522
The Cardinals aren’t going to touch Holland unless his asking price drops to 2 years $24M or something like that. But if his asking price dropped that much there might be 20 teams trying to sign him.
To me that is what is working against the teams. The big rich teams are now saying “no we will wait you out until your price drops”. But when the price drops then the amount of teams interested in that player more than doubles. In the end I think the players are going to win this stare down contest.January 24, 2018 at 2:28 pm #42547
gscottar, I was right there with you – until the end of the last sentence. I don’t think there is any doubt that the free agents who are major league quality will get major league jobs. But if these players have to settle for fewer years and/or less money than they expected, do they really win?
Looks to me like there are some bargains to be had, and in those cases, it will be the owners coming out on top, IMO.January 24, 2018 at 3:25 pm #42549mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I don’t know that anyone really comes out on top when this standoff is settled. I look at it as a market correction that should have occurred much sooner than now. It would take a very long-winded dialogue to determine what’s fair. Should we say that there is either deliberate or tacit collusion, and that the best players should continue to receive enormous sums of money since that is the precedent? Should more of the money be distributed among a much larger array of players, so that many more millionaires are created, instead of just a few? Should the owners just keep the extra cash since baseball teams are billion dollar investments, and it would seem that they should be entitled to get at least 3-5% on their investments?January 24, 2018 at 4:18 pm #42552
Definitely a thorny subject. Among Boras’ talking points shared with McKernan is his view that the owners are receiving a increasing share of the profits. Again, whether that is considered good or bad, right or wrong, depends a lot on how one looks at baseball as a business.
I see the players as at a disadvantage currently. But if there is an ongoing problem, it will get worked out as part of the next collective bargaining agreement. Like them or not, the rules that are in place were agreed-to by all. There is no doubt in my mind that the increasing penalties for overspending have forced even the undisciplined teams to become disciplined – at least until Harper and Machado hit the open market! 😉January 24, 2018 at 4:29 pm #42555
True the lesser free agents will probably get squeezed and have to settle for cheap one year deals but the big free agents will get paid. Some team will eventually zig while everyone else is zagging.January 24, 2018 at 4:36 pm #42556
I wish I had a dollar for every time Mo has spoken about being “opportunistic,” though in fairness perhaps we’ve heard it less often recently!March 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm #46048March 22, 2018 at 1:52 pm #46052BlackHillsCardParticipantFree
After losing all of the picks last year, the Cards won’t going that route in back-to-back seasons.March 22, 2018 at 3:35 pm #46068
After the dozens of comments made by the front office this spring stating their satisfaction with the pen as currently consrtucted it would be quite an about face to now sign Holland. I wish it would happen but I don’t see it happening.March 22, 2018 at 3:42 pm #46069thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
i think the Cubs could be the darkhorse
Morrow is far from a sure thing and what are they really going to lose now that they signed Darvish?
Morrow plus Holland for cheap i think fortifies their pen immenselyMarch 23, 2018 at 10:02 am #46119
You can never rule out the Cubs but they are getting precariously close to the luxury tax. Adding Holland would make it very difficult to add someone at the deadline.
I think the dark horse could be the Astros. They sure weren’t sold on Giles during the WS.
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