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Mets might have interest in Fowler, but like I’ve said before, we don’t have many LH bats in the lineup.
Joel Sherman of the NY Post recently had a column where he mentioned that the Cards and Mets might make good trade partners this off season. The Mets need OF’s and we have a surplus. He specifically mentioned Dexter Fowler as a possibility. From a budgetary point of view I would like to move Fowler, however, he is one of the few LH bats we have. We don’t need an almost all RH lineup next year.
It also occurs to me that the Mets desperately need a 3B considering David Wright’s injuries. I don’t know much about the Mets farm system but how about we send them Grichuk or Pham, Piscotty, and Gyroko in exchange for Matz and Harvey. Both pitchers have had injury problems so we would be buying low. Matz has four years of control left and a ton of potential. Harvey has one year of control left and might be suited to put in the bullpen to see if he could recapture some of his old glory.
If we could sign JD Martinez we would have an outfield of Fowler in LF, Martinez in RF, and CF could be Grichuk or Pham, Bader, Sierra, etc… Carp maybe could slide over to 3B and Jose could play 1B if we don’t sign Hosmer or Morrison; or Carp could stay at 1B and DeJong could move to 3B if we could get another SS (Simmons of course would be the dream scenario.)
If we don’t re-sign Lynn we need to sign a veteran innings eater to a one year deal to bridge the gap. I’m thinking someone like Lackey or RA Dickey.
Well I assume they play day games on Sunday but I didn’t know they had a no day game on Thursday policy. Strange.
My latest ideas:
Re-sign Lynn
Re-sign Nicasio (if he is effective this month)
Trade for Simmons and Bedrosian
Trade for Yelich
Sign Hosmer? (if we move Carp and if we don’t think Jose can handle it)Players I would consider trading: Carp, Gyroko, Fowler, Cecil, Diaz, Grichuk, Piscotty, one or two of the young OF’s, and any young pitcher not named Reyes or Weaver. Obviously not all of those would be traded but that would be the most logical group to pick from.
I didn’t say Carp was worse than Jose. I said we might need to move Carp to get a high caliber player in return, such as Simmons, Donaldson, Yelich, Stanton, etc…..
If we do that do we turn 1B over to Jose (making league minimum) or go after Hosmer and his $100M contract?A GM has to think of budgetary issues also. It might make sense to move a guy making $28M the next two years instead of a guy making the league minimum if the production isn’t that different.
If we trade Carp during the offseason to upgrade somewhere else on the field, could Jose Martinez be our starting 1B?
Why in the world was this a night game? Usually the get away game is a day game. Our guys probably didn’t get home until early this morning then have to play again tonight.
If he gets us into the playoffs it might be worth it.
I think it is obvious we put a waiver claim on him before Aug. 31 only to be blocked by the Pirates. They didn’t want him coming here. Looks like that move backfired on the Pirates.
Someone submitted a comment in D. Goold’s chat suggesting the Cards go after Archer
and Colome in the offseason. He agreed this was the kind of blockbuster move they would look for, if not this move specifically.He also reiterated they would go after one of the Marlins OF’s.
Part of the reasoning for moving Fowler is to clear up a roster spot for the army of OF’s in the minors we have coming, who all play better defense than Fowler, and for the possibly of a big bat acquisition like Stanton or JD Martinez. I would be willing to eat $4M per year of Fowler’s contract. That’s a $12M savings per year. Our FO has admitted that Leake was a mistake so we might as well admit this one too. As for Cecil, I would eat $3M per year to move him.
My proposal for Simmons might be an overpay, but again, it clears money off the books to make room for a Stanton, JD Martinez, or Hosmer. We also get the best defensive player on the planet and can move DeJong to 3B. After 25 years we would have finally replaced Ozzie Smith.
Yes, Davis has 38 Hrs but he has struck out 182 times. He will make around $9M next year compared to around $2M for Grichuk so their relative value isn’t far off.
I don’t have a problem with eating some money to move Fowler or Cecil. The Orioles wanted Fowler when we signed him. They might still want him if we paid some of it down. Cecil would be a good change of scenery candidate and he is already familiar with the AL East. The O’s might be interested if we paid some of his contract down too. Britton only has one year of control left so we shouldn’t have to give up the farm to get him.
We shouldn’t have to eat any money to move Carp or Gyroko so I include those two along with Diaz and Hudson to get Simmons. I think that is a fair deal for both sides.
As for Khris Davis, don’t we already have him in Randal Grichuk?
As for Trevor Story, don’t we already have him in Paul DeJong?
More offseason ideas:
Sign Lynn
Sign Hosmer
Trade Gyroko, Diaz, Carpenter, and Hudson to Angels for Simmons
Trade Fowler, Cecil, and Tui to Orioles for Britton2B Wong
CF Pham
3B DeJong
1B Hosmer
SS Simmons
C Molina
RF Piscotty
LF Grichuk
PThat would be the best defensive lineup we have had in years.
Rotation: CMart, Lynn, Wacha, Waino, Weaver or Flaherty
Pen: Britton, Reyes, Alacantara, Brebbia, Bowman, Lyons, and TuiWell Rosenthal is not going to be healthy by Spring Training. The question is would they pay him a small salary for 2018 in anticipation of him being able to pitch by next September then all of 2019?
Would the Cardinals consider bringing Rosenthal back on a 2 year $8M deal? Pay him $1.5M next year while rehabbing then $6.5M in 2019?
I’m all for Yelich and Hosmer but we would still have to address the bullpen and rotation and I don’t know how much money our FO will be willing to spend. That is why the Giants trade might work. We would be taking on a lot of money but would be giving up some money also.
I really like Lance Lynn but do we really want him for 5 or 6 more years? We need a quality stopgap guy for a year or two until more of our highly acclaimed pitchers are ready. Samardjia isn’t great but he is only under contract 3 more years. If we really want a stopgap for one year we could bring Lackey back I suppose. After 2018 Lackey and Waino would be gone freeing up two more spots in the rotation.
Signing Lackey, Hosmer, and Wade Davis might be a good offseason but we still need to get rid of some of the OF clutter.
I’m also glad the Cubs didn’t get Verlander. Supposedly they were his first choice but they finally ran out of good prospects to deal.
Should be an interesting post-season. Of the 8 playoff teams I think 6 of them have a legitimate shot at winning the World Series, 7 if if you want to include Arizona.
Let’s send Fowler, Piscotty, Cecil and Gallen to the Giants for Samardjia and Melancon.
Samardjia and Waino provide veteran presence to the rotation while bringing up more of the rookies. Melancon solidifies the pen assuming he is healthy. Then try to come up with a package to trade for Yelich.
1B Carp, 2B Wong, SS Dejong, 3B Gyroko, LF Pham, CF Yelich, RF Grichuk
CMart, Samardjia, Wacha, Waino, Weaver or ReyesThere are a few contenders that might like him down the stretch if he is healthy. My bet is that he is traded before midnight.