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Tonight I actually like the way Matheny has used his pitchers – so far anyway. I thought he would keep Martinez out there through 5 so he could have a chance at a win. But he pulled him before things got any worse, and the lefties have stabilzed things.
But was it more a bit of to little to late in terms of understanding when to take the pitcher out that by the time that he figured it out it didn’t matter for the playoff situation…
To be as clear as I can be, I am not going to change my posting style here on my own site to meet anyone else’s expectations.
I’m supporting my team, just saying that by the time that he figured it out the playoffs were out of reach for us…
Your site, Brian, very true. But someday it would be great if you told us what MM did to you to cause you to dislike him so much. It is indeed hard to be a moderator and poster at the same time.
Counter roles.Why would you pinch hit for your best hitter in a 1-run game in the bottom of the 8th inning? Is Pham hurt? If not that was just stupid and another feather in the Matheny doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Apparently Pham is hurting from that HBP. The bad move tonight was not staying with the lefties when you had Heyward and other lefty hitters coming up. Maddon could have made a move for a righty hitter like Russell. Still jist a strange move.
How can one be both a cop and a demonstrator? Both a ruler and a member of the proletariat? Oh well. There are lots of unsolved mysteries I guess.
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Ahead 6-3, but all eyes are on MM,
just waiting for something to criticize?So, as fans, we should not make comments about observations we see during a game if they are negative?
CC made a valid point. Matheny challenged a play that was so close that it was upheld very early in the game. Now, when he could use it to prevent a baserunner late in the game, he can’t. That could have the cost of 2 additional runs as the inning played on.
Matheny is around 50% for his career and that would be about the middle of the pack. This year is his best year and he has the 10th best % of overturned calls. I will say that Matheny does have a MUCH better record on his early challenges. However, he has lost 10% of all his challenges on a challenge in the first 4 innings of a game. IMO, in the first 4 innings it should be a challenge on a clear cut missed call not a close play that could go either way.
Brian, I agree about Bernie. I really like his takes and follow him on twitter regularly.
Conversely, Goold annoys me. He really isn’t an opinion writer but he must have ADHD. He can’t focus on baseball. It appears he would much rather focus on comedy or lifestyle pieces. The problem is that he isn’t funny.
What is welcome here is whatever is on people’s minds about the St. Louis Cardinals. No poster has the right to try to tell others what they can or cannot discuss and how they do it.
If the site guidelines are being broken, the mods will deal with it. Otherwise, it is time to chill out on posters trying to police others.
Does that include posters who put other posters down with harsh personal attacks if those posters happen to support MM at times?
I was away for a considerable period over the weekend and saw there had been some nasty exchanges involving multiple posters. A complaint was registered over profanity and that was directly addressed for all to see. There was another complaint about injecting politics into the discussion that seemed to have passed on its own. Both areas are against the site rules.
As there were multiple people involved in throwing verbal jabs, I made a general request for the anger be turned down. That seemed to occur. However, if there are other specific outstanding complaints, I am not aware of them. (Using the site contact form or reaching me via the email address that is in every one of my articles is preferable to calling out others in public.)
It is time to end this public discussion and refocus this thread on its intended subject.
I like Bernie, Ortiz, Gordo and the 2 Bens. Goold reminds of Joe Strauss who would get on twitter, bait people with rude and sarcastic comments and then block them when they repkied. Rob Rains has good stuff as well.
Totally agree, Brian. When you were with Big Blue as an executive, I’m sure there were policy meetings where all sides of an issue were examined. That’s all several of us have tried to do on this thread. I have stepped forward and stated what I think MM’s strengths and weaknesses are, and have asked for others to do the same. Only one poster responded – NJ. His post was very good, and I thought might spur a balanced discussion. I asked that others join in the discussion of strengths and weaknesses. They didn’t. They just went back to stating how awful they think our manager is. They even provided articles from small town print media or from radio personalities who feel the same one sided negativism to support their case. They simple refused to weigh the pluses along with the minuses. As moderator, it would be great if you could help facilitate a balanced discussion, examining all sides of the issue, that NJ and I tried to get going. Thanks very much.
Advising posters how to post, moderators how to moderate and moderators how to post is not your place. If you feel the need to get in the last word, please do it offline.
I don’t want a last word at all, Brian. This isn’t a contest. The title of this thread is Matheny as Manager. I’m trying to have a good constructive discussion of our manager’s pluses and minuses with other posters, since that’s what I believe this thread is about. That’s all I have ever tried to do on this thread. Only NJ was joined in so far, offering his thoughts on both pluses and minuses. Maybe some others will eventually join with their input on both.
Brian I totally agree in your need to maintain balance on the subject.
However, reading between the lines I sense at least a slight lean and could easily be misinterpreting it. Also it would be inappropriate for me to express where I think you are leaning. My antenna goes up on your posts because of your access to players and team officials that we don’t have.
I would like to see a more civil discussion. I would also like to see more specific information rather than someone always makes dumb decisions. What decisions are dumb and why.
I usually discount posts from those who are always positive or always negative. Very few people are all good or all bad so there is very little value in posts that are always extreme one way or the other.
When I watch a game I try to anticipate MM’s moves ahead of time other than baserunning. Never know who made the decision to steal as some players are probably on their own. Some of his decisions I disagree with but he more often makes the move I would make. On those I disagree I am probably wrong on more than I am right.
I’m pretty sure I remember Taveras for Profar banter and plenty of discussion about the organization having issues with Taveras at some level. Like with Shelby, Taveras wasn’t exactly the model prospect in a lot of ways early on. I don’t have links, just going off of memory. Continue shooting down bccran, however, it’s really quite annoying considering the skepticism seems personal rather than objective.
If you think he’s lying about a relative being a GM, then it’s kind of up to you to provide evidence of duplicitous nature on his part, otherwise I take it your objective approach is to cast doubt on people in general. And that I find counterproductive and foolish, especially when the subjects of doubt are dedicated posters in a small community.
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