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Brian – you’re a good guy and do an extremely professional job on here. You just come down a little hard sometimes. That’s all. Now, let’s take a look at career WHIPs. Not the end all, but a measure.
Weaver – 1.07
Helsley – 1.10
Gallen – 1.10
Gomber – 1.13
Flaherty – 1.18
Hudson – 1.28
Alcantera – 1.35
Woodford – 1.36
Hicks – 1.38
Fernandez – 1.39
Seijas – 1.42
Jones – 1.52Just seems to me that we should be giving Gallen and Helsley a little deserved amor.
Quick way to fall out of favor with your organization.
They don’t seem to learn that it’s not worth it.The fuss is that you come off in a condescending way at times. Put others down. Like you know more than everyone else. I know you’re not that way, but sometimes it seems so. Apologies for the frankness.
Okay, Brian, let’s bring this forward one more (and hopefully last) time.
On September 12, 2016, Baseball America published its Minor League Classification All-Star teams.
One player per position, 5 starting pitchers, and one relief pitcher for each level of the minors.At AAA, we had no one named.
Trea Turner was the SS.At AA Tyler O’Neill was named one of the 3 outfielders. Cody Bellinger was one of the other 2 outfielders. Ozzie Ablies was the second baseman. That shows the quality.
At High A, again, we had no players named. To show the quality again, Devers was the second baseman.
At A, we had 2 players named –
Alverez at 2B and Helsley at starting pitcher. Of the 5 All-Star starting pitchers at this level, Helsley was the only one of the 5 with a sub 2.00 ERA. He was at 1.61. There are 30 teams at this level. 150 starters. On paper, he was the best.At the short season level, Jeremy Martinez made it at catcher. Cordova made it at SS (ouch).
Now, with supposedly some of the best “those in the know” at BA, we see the only pitcher in the whole Cardinals system honored in this way was Helsley.
And yet “those in the know”
at TCN have a number of starters with much higher ERAs rated above him. Questionable.For example. Career ERAs –
Weaver – 2.00
Helsley – 2.11
Hudson – 2.68
Flaherty – 2.78
Hicks – 2.85
Gomber – 2.90
Woodford – 3.20
Alcantera – 3.98
Fernandez – 4.02
Seijas – 4.11Okay. I would start by saying that good closers don’t get behind on batters and walk themselves into trouble.
As a major leaguer, Rosenthal has walked 143 batters in 325 innings pitched. Take a look at his WHIPs over the past 4 years.
2014 – 1.41
2015 – 1.27
2016 – 1.91
2017 – 1.20Those aren’t the numbers of a great closer.
People shouldn’t be too overly enamored with their own analyses, Forsch. It leads to an unnecessary defensive attitude, and resultant confrontation when questioned.
The Cards will probably get creative. Wacha to closer?
Weaver to set up Oh? Bring Mayers up? Bring Gant up?
Artie Reyes?There’s no comparison between the 2 at this point. One is a proven leader at the highest level of college baseball. The other may not own a razor yet.
MLB.com had the following pitchers rated above Helsley in their mid 2017 Cardinal prospect rankings –
Reyes
Flaherty
Hudson
Alcantara
Fernandez
Gallen
Hicks
Gomber
Woodford
Seijas
Jones
OviedoThere’s something wrong with that.
On offense? I like player B better because of his OBP. Would have to know more about the differences between their defense, arm, speed, base running skills, etc. for an overall comparison.
2015 – 1-1, 2.01
2016 – 10-2, 1.61
2017 – 10-2, 2.53Career to date – 21-5, 2.09
Where was he ranked on TCN list
voted on last off season?Actually, I’m high on Carlson. My only point is that highly drafted teenagers are less likely to make it than highly drafted college players, who have a larger body of work to go on, against better competition.
That’s been documented.By the way, where is Mejia in the Top 50? Already had a cup of coffee at the major league level and hitting well at Memphis.
