August 17, 2017 at 11:37 am #30847
“Trevor Rosenthal is at the airport and flying back to St. Louis for additional medical tests. I’m told #STLCards roster move “likely” today,” says Jen Langosch.August 17, 2017 at 11:50 am #30849
Montgomery?August 17, 2017 at 1:36 pm #30852OnyxgemParticipantFree
That is to bad he has been money and a key part of the teams big winning streak …. really to bad as well as he was pitchingAugust 17, 2017 at 2:35 pm #30853mspaidParticipant
Hello Tommy John.August 17, 2017 at 2:50 pm #30855PadsFSParticipantFree
If it’s a serious injury, then he is likely not getting tendered a contract for 2018.
August 17, 2017 at 3:15 pm #30858CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
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That will free nearly $10 million in payroll but leave us without a closer. Also increases chance of Seigrest returning. Not sure that is a good thing.August 17, 2017 at 3:45 pm #30860gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Apparently Luke Weaver is rejoining the team but the roles have not been clarified.August 17, 2017 at 4:26 pm #30862
I honestly hope he’s okay. Nobody wants to see anybody injured.
But, having said that, we have two relievers that should only be in the game if we are ahead or behind by the score of 10-1 in the 8th.August 17, 2017 at 4:37 pm #30863mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
It sure was nice while he was effective. I want him healthy, and back in the bullpen. Second highest average fastball speed in the majors, and lots of outs, when he’s on his game. All of his fans are pulling for him, for sure.August 17, 2017 at 5:12 pm #30864
The Cards will probably get creative. Wacha to closer?
Weaver to set up Oh? Bring Mayers up? Bring Gant up?
Artie Reyes?August 17, 2017 at 5:25 pm #30869mspaidParticipant
I hope Weaver replaces Leake in the rotation.August 17, 2017 at 5:30 pm #30870thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
Lame. Still. He was throwing 95. im hoping this is just something that needs a couple weeks.
Montgomery would make sense if we are going to give him a shot in September.
Weaver is up already but it makes me wonder if he is more up to shadow Waino tonight.August 17, 2017 at 6:15 pm #30874August 17, 2017 at 7:30 pm #30880
…. we have two relievers that should only be in the game if we are ahead or behind by the score of 10-1 in the 8th.
I have shown you in the past how Rosenthal is one of the best relievers the Cardinals have ever had. I see that instead of listening to facts, you are going to constantly troll about him just like you have done in the past with several other players. PatheticAugust 17, 2017 at 7:58 pm #30883
BEST RELIEVERS THE CARDINALS HAVE EVER HAD???
A million times he has come in and been totally ineffective. At times he’s gotten the job done by a whisker and at times he’s blown it for us. No consistency at all. Nobody, if looking at the complete picture, can deny that he’s an accident waiting to happen.August 17, 2017 at 8:10 pm #30887
People shouldn’t be too overly enamored with their own analyses, Forsch. It leads to an unnecessary defensive attitude, and resultant confrontation when questioned.August 17, 2017 at 10:16 pm #30889
Rat, you get something in your head and you won’t listen to reason. The numbers are there. Rosenthal is one of the best. You fondly remember the good times of Sutter, Smith, etc. but you don’t remember the bad times. They were equally ineffective and sometimes get the job done by a whisker.August 17, 2017 at 10:19 pm #30890
BC, I can’t help it that you won’t back your analysis. It does lead me to question your motives for always questioning others’ analysis without responding to their counters.August 17, 2017 at 10:43 pm #30891
Okay. I would start by saying that good closers don’t get behind on batters and walk themselves into trouble.
As a major leaguer, Rosenthal has walked 143 batters in 325 innings pitched. Take a look at his WHIPs over the past 4 years.
2014 – 1.41
2015 – 1.27
2016 – 1.91
2017 – 1.20
Those aren’t the numbers of a great closer.August 17, 2017 at 11:31 pm #30898
And yet he has converted 86% of his save opportunities. That is better than any 1 year of Sutter’s tenure in St. Louis. Rosenthal has blown less than 4 saves a year on average over the last 4 years. Sutter averaged over 8 blown saves a year with the Cardinals.August 18, 2017 at 8:55 am #30913
And Rosenthal has almost blown a million other saves. He’s escaped by a whisker a million times. Stats don’t tell the entire story here in any way, shape, or form.August 18, 2017 at 10:34 am #30934bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
One thing to consider on the Sutter comparison, is that closers were used differently when he pitched. Sutter averaged roughly 1.5 IP per appearance while with us, whereas today closers are almost strictly one inning pitchers, with an occasional 4-out appearance.
Essentially Sutter went 2 innings every other appearance. That would tend to increase the standard deviation of his outings – in other words, chances are greater for him to get the blown save, or a win or loss rather than a save.
Rosenthal’s W-L record was 8-20 coming in to 2017. If you look at Sutter’s W-L with us, he had many more times being the pitcher of record; 26-30 in four seasons in St. Louis.
Sutter was +8 over Rosenthal in W-L, and had to get more outs per save than Trevor. Not that this data in and of itself makes Sutter a more reliable closer than Rosenthal, but it presents a more complete picture in comparing the two.August 18, 2017 at 10:36 am #30935
Interesting points, Mike. I have wondered what Sutter’s numbers would have looked like had he pitched in today’s game.August 18, 2017 at 10:45 am #30937PadsFSParticipantFree
And Rosenthal has almost blown a million other saves. He’s escaped by a whisker a million times. Stats don’t tell the entire story here in any way, shape, or form
MILLIONS forsch31 MILLIONS!!
ParticipantAugust 18, 2017 at 7:22 pm #30978
In case folks missed today’s news, Rosenthal is heading off to get a second opinion before any announcement.
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