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August 8, 2026 at 9:51 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #315675
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ParticipantThey prob think so too.
August 8, 2026 at 9:31 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156721982 willie
Participant8-6, that isnt too bad. You have those nights. Better than 8-0.
August 8, 2026 at 8:19 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156611982 willie
ParticipantWell im out gettung my evening walk on, by commrnts i was expecting a really bad line. But checking the score its a pretty close game. Neither pitcher is farung great.
August 8, 2026 at 8:17 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156591982 willie
ParticipantWell i dont know about williams case since ive never really followed boston. But with the yankees, whether it be ruth, gherig, or someone else, you def had to pitch well regardless.
August 8, 2026 at 7:55 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156531982 willie
ParticipantPlus 1tough, i figure ruth oe williams hit leafoff during an inning quite a few times. Wonder what their stats were. Prob i bet about the same as otherwise which would be pretty good and def help the team.
August 8, 2026 at 7:49 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156511982 willie
ParticipantYou are right 1tough but i dont think we have either of those guys or an equivelent.
August 8, 2026 at 7:47 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156491982 willie
ParticipantWell i didnt and dont take moneyball serious. I ageee that obp is an important factor for a leadoff but again its not the only factor. For one thing he isnt always leading off an inning. If he had a better avg, maybe he would have a few more rbis. True maybe jj is the answer right now based on what people think. But again if he was injured.
, he wouldnt be that answer. Assuming they arent going to cancel the rest of the season, what if whoever came in and put up better numbers and the team did better. Its not as improbable as much as people think. To me a great leadoff can hit well and get on other ways as well. Jj might get there but just because hes on paper is their best option, doesnt make him great.August 8, 2026 at 6:25 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156351982 willie
ParticipantI reckon so, even if he had far better numbers than jj
August 8, 2026 at 5:18 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156301982 willie
ParticipantWelk bling i wonder about the thought we have no other choice. If jj God forbid, went down with an injury, would we just cancel tbe rest of our season. Or would we suck it up and put someone else out there. And what if amazingly, we suddenly reeled off a 23 wins out of 25 games streak. Now wouldnt that just put a monkey in the wrench.
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ParticipantWell jnevel, we are finally in agreement.
August 8, 2026 at 1:14 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #117 thread – Saturday, August 8 vs. Colorado Rockies #3156181982 willie
ParticipantI too think that both teams are trending well. The thing about baseball or maybe even all team sports, you cant predict how things go in the future based on past or present situations. For a ling time the dodgers couldnt win another world sseries, now everyone worries they are winning too many. I think the cardinals lineup can def improve but i think our pitching has a lot of promise though with injuries that can always be precarious.
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ParticipantWell you can never have too much pitching. Im going to hold off on any thoughts just because i dont feel there is going to be a normal 27 season. Maybe replacements but i wont be watching those.
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ParticipantJnevek, you are so far wrong that i wouldnt even expect a person who never watched a game or played the sport to ever say such a thing. You might as well be one of those that believes the earth is flat. Ball park configuratiins are an intersting thing to talk about but matters hardly nil. In the end the pitchers for the most part are doing same thing and are of comparable quality. And 30 points is a hive difference. Just like 30 homeruns is a big difference from 20. Little things can change but good hitters are good hitters and not good hitters are not good hitters. It hasnt changed through the 150 years or so of baseball. But you be you and think what you will. Who am i tell you that you wont fall off the earth just past your neighborhood.
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ParticipantI dont think arraez was born too late though i can see why you say that gscottar. The league has failed him and players like him. Hitting a baseball is a skill, always has been. But just like any skill, there are those that have more of it. Some a lot more, some more but not as much. Since its really mostly something that cant be taught or improved much by metrics, its been devalued because it doesnt fit the agenda of these teams analytics departments. As ive always said, i believe a whole team of above avg hitters would do quite well though obviously good pitching would still be a requirement and as always would determine a lot. A power guy would still be nice but nor totally neccessary. I would prefer a power guy with some bat ability vs an all or nothing power guy. As you say, those guys can be found on the market, just not enough smart people to put it all together.
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ParticipantJnevel, batting avg isnt arbitrary in any way when you are comparing players playing similiar competition. A guy consistently hitting 280 IS a better hitter than a guy consistently hitting 250. Dont have to look at it deeper. Its not rocket science. Can it be a one off season and totally switch the next, sure. People have career seasons and then dont do as well. But if we are talking consistently, its easy to say a 280 hitter is better than a 250 hitter. Quite a bit actually. So no the metrics do nothing in that case. Most times a player is what he is. There is no magic formula gonna change it. Rbis can fall into an arbitrary because it relies more on those hitting ahead of you than avg does so you can get those highs and lows. But there are guys that have a better knack for coming up with a big hit in a situation vs others or can always get that sac fly. No great mystery to it and no magic formula to make it so everyone can do it.
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ParticipantWell brian you are probably right. Most of these voters prob rely on these fancy metrics like wins over replacement and such.Most of these voters if they were called out to a ballfield and had to evaluate a 100 kids just on eyesight alone would prob be lost. I dont care who wins it,if jj wins thats fine. Doesnt do me any good. But the numbers themselves tell the story. I dont get into choosing between positions cause to every position on the field is as important as the other. I also dont get into the wins above replacement thing cause i believe thats an arbitrary stat. But again, kudos to whoever wins it.
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ParticipantLooking at the guys numbers and the guy clearly has more rbis and quite a few more homers. Noe you can point out jj is a leadoff so less rbi opprtunities but you cant use that if you are going to give credit for walking to get on base for others as a leadoff hitter. No one forced the cardinals to lead him off. If sal gets a hundred rbis, its not even a question if it is even now. Jj is a really good player regardless.
August 4, 2026 at 10:12 pm in reply to: St. Louis 2026 Game #114 thread – Tuesday, August 4 at New York Yankees #3153561982 willie
ParticipantCould be rat, could be.
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ParticipantI get that war values defense, baserunning, and such. Thats fine but i can value all that outside of the stat. Ive given jj credit for being a really good defensive second baseman. Its why i can say say edmonds is a hall of famer vs those other cfs though great on their own but edmonds in ways effected tbe game because of his ability to play in and still catch everything in the field of play and then some.defense matters but i dont consider jj ozzie on defense, hes great though. But hitting the ball and hitting it where they arent stil matters to me more than all the other stuff. I dont watch enough baseball overall enough to judge myself anymore who should win awards but if i was a voter i would def watch more cause i believe in the eyes more than i believe in some metrics on a sheet of paper or screen. War may give the guy more ctedit for something than i would vs another player at a position. Other than the dh thing which im not a fan of i dont like trying to value on position over another. I hated first base and never willingly played there. To me it requires good defense as well as other places.
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ParticipantJust saw red sox trade a prospect that was once untouchable, marcello mayer. Espn talking about it now. But its a lesson for some of these other teams that say we cant give up our best prospects even for a great rental. Fact is most of those prized prospects end up either getting rid of those prospects for nothing because those prospects good value goes away or you end up letting them walk away for nothing.
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ParticipantI dont know what to make of it all. Just makes me like these fancy metrics even less. Ill have to look at sals real meaningful stats.
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ParticipantI think its a good trade. How much it helps milwaukee i dont know. If may pitches like hes capable, they should be pretty good. Cubs have seemed to really go for it. Puts me in a hard spot. I really hate what the brewers didnt do by not making a real effort to get skubal so i think the baseball gods should punish them however i totally despise the cubs so i dont want them to benefit from the brewers punishment but the brewers have made it hard to root for them.
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ParticipantWe will see, all things are going well. I have far more hope for him than any of the draftees we got this year in the draft.
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ParticipantAll thats true jnenel, but its also more the reason why you go all in while you have your chance. I dont think the pirates are well ran, thats their biggest problem. A few other teams on your list are in that boat. Some of had oppoetunity but just didnt perform when they needed to. Reds,marlins, and twins had some chances. You can throw tigers on there as well. Championships and pennants arent guaranteed and they dont earn them just by playing so many years that the odds should favor them.
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ParticipantI also dont hold with accounts thar taveras death really waa the blow people say it was. For lots of reasons it wasnt good. But taveras struggled during his time in mlb. Im sure he would have turned out fine but im not sure he was ever going to be the kind of player anything close like pujols. Mismanagement of our minors was the blow that hurt our organization.
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