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well I don’t care at all for this commissioner. but I will say this. getting a chance to play baseball should never be about the money as far as dreamers go which I consider guys who are generally thought of class A ball players. should they get basically nothing, no but playing A ball is not a job, its chasing a dream. so while I think ownership is being greedy and no teams should be cut, I think players need to think also. if you are an A ball player right now, a very good chance in less than a couple years you will be doing something else, while someone else hopefully will be getting their shot at the dream. hell if I would have had the talent to make it just to A, I would have gladly slept under a bridge just to do that for a little while.
well I was young and didn’t really know the business side of things back then but im personally more a fan of how things were back then than how they are now. I have the internet now and can see all these things happening in real time so it does make a difference. plus if the owner wanted you to act a certain way to reflect the team, I have zero problems without that. to me getting to play sports for a living is a privilege not something to be taken for granted.
I don’t know brian. as time goes on, some of these older guys get forgotten. the younger crowd has zero knowledge of these guys, kind of like me with guys from early seventies in back. I know the stars and the regular hall of famers but some of the other guys I don’t know since its something where you had to be there then. if I hadn’t seen ray Lankford play, looking at his numbers I might not have thought he should be there. and I think its even harder with pitchers. just look at tudor. his overall numbers you would say no way but if you were watching him pitch back then, you would say heck yea. at least there is a committee that looks at some of the older players like they did with mort cooper.
well really the cardinals shouldn’t be sending anybody to the winter meetings. they are just wasting more money and time than they already do. man it would be nice to hear the cardinals actually made a deal for rendon or Arenado, a once in a lifetime type thing but it wont happen. they might pick em up 5 years down the road when they are starting to go downward. say what you want about the yankees and some others, they don’t pocket their money. they show their fans they are trying to win. the cardinals management just sits on top of their pile of money like uncle scrooge just hoping old guys they overpaid or extended past their prime come through with a miraculous rebound season. it is Christmas, do you believe in miracles.
I hope wacha gets the best deal he can and is healhy enough to pitch well enough to get a better one next year.
yea Pugsley, I wouldn’t mind seeing reitz and herr in the cardinals hall. I stiil believe tudor deserves to be there.
im so happy ted got in. well deserved in my opinion. I hated him being traded back in the day. he was the first individual player that I was a real fan of. while I wouldn’t really want to be there in that small town with all the craziness of the ceremonies, I wouldn’t mind getting back there again one day to see his plaque.
well Manfred said one of the reason is because of signing players that don’t have a realistic chance to make it to the big leagues. that’s a joke. he shouldn’t be anywhere near in charge of the game. baseball is supposed to be a game of dreams. maybe a lot of those guys don’t make the big show. they still got farther than a lot of people and that is something money cant buy. that is what baseball should be selling. and what about those few guys that might slip through the cracks. they don’t matter. quit chasing the nfl and nba. be satisfied in your zone.
oh 14nyquist ill always love the game. doesn’t mean I have to be a fan of the mlb side of it.
I think there are several guys on there deserving of hall of fame status and that’s excluding guys like bonds and Clemens which to me, I think they deserve to be in. if Houston can hold onto its title, those guys deserve their individual recognition. but just voting for one guy when you have voted for some of the others on past ballots is just stupid. to me jeter is the most deserving of the ones not being punished but others may have a different view. I don’t get into the hundred percent or the first time ballot thing, doesn’t matter to me. I don’t remember how many votes these guys get but there are plenty of guys deserving not to limit it to one vote. limiting your vote cause you think that having so called lesser players dilutes the hall is silly.
well if you add all the thoughts and ideas of everyone on this board, it basically adds up that we basically have the same roster this upcoming season as we did the last. now your feelings about that would be determined by whether you think this team over achieved, did about right, or under achieved. given that the pitching was relatively great for the most part, that all narrows to the other members of the team. if you think that a lot of these players that fell off will bounce back, then you would think we under achieved and giving them another shot, we could at the least be in the running to duplicate or better our finish. if you feel we over achieved and don’t really feel some of those players will bounce back, then you may feel we need to change things up a bit. now personally I believe the cardinals should go out and spend that money they are raking in on a great player in his prime not past it. assuming it isn’t a pitcher, that then gives you more options on how to use the other guys. I don’t think the cardinals are gonna spend any of that money in a meaningful way so to me, its best we wait til spring training to sort things out with what we have. assuming no changes, guys like carpenter, bader, fowler, and maybe some others that their positions are theirs to lose but lose them they can whether it be spring or during the season. no more waiting months to make decisions.
if they cheated, they should be banned from post season for two years at minimum and all people associated with it should be fired or heavily suspended. just look at what baseball has done to the steroid guys. the teams shouldn’t be any different.
this is ridiculous. baseball is just trying to ruin itself more and more everyday. its just about eliminating jobs, saving them money. sure they are saying it will raise the wages for everyone else but even so, at what cost. most of that money is still going to go to the best players not the average ones as they are signing them. I think its more about them pocketing the money. shutting down teams is not the way to grow your sport. the minor leagues is one of the best ideas that mlb ever came up with. I have pretty much ditched the other sports, if this goes through, ill probably ditch baseball.
well I have no problem with shildt getting the nod with a challenged lineup. counsel did a great job down the stretch after their best player went down so I can see him getting lots of votes.
well sometimes you should eat bad contracts. the fact fowler had better offensive statistics than those other guys mean nothing since other than wong and edman, those other guys weren’t offensively all that great. being among the best of the worst doesn’t really cut it when you are being highly paid. and yea he did whine about his lack of playing time though it was deserved at the time. sure he hasn’t whined since shildt took over because he gets to play everyday whether he stinks or not. not even fowler is that stupid.
I guess the cardinals just never learn any lessons. trying to give ozuna a multiyear contract. the fun never ends.
actually the nationals were a great team during the season if you take out their slow start, probably would have won their division. so in my eyes they didn’t suddenly get hot. I don’t know why people want to lean on excuses like that team was hot. bottom line in my eyes they have a better every day lineup. heck you could add 2 of our every day players together and they wouldn’t equal rendon. their starting pitching was at the least equal to ours but I feel it was slightly better. only place we were better was the bullpen but they didn’t pitch that well in the playoffs.
someone at work told me it was the same aa last year which would have been lowball this year based on what he did last year. he deserved a little more trust based on how he pitched. but I just read it was for 5 million base and 5 million in incentives which I feel is fine and he deserved as much. they should have given that 2 million deal to carpenter instead of giving him an extension last year. that’s about what he deserves.
well the issue isn’t a perennial winner. the cardinals have been that outside of a few years there. but to me this team overachieved this year based on its offensive output. hard to see status quo getting a better result, more likely worse. we were clearly outclassed in the nlcs doesn’t matter about previous history. you need to have guys that have proven to be consistent hitters, we don’t have that right now. this ownership just seems to be willing to just try to be good enough just so they can keep the turnstyles turning. yea they have some money wrapped up in some guys but that’s their fault. carpenter shouldn’t have gotten his deal based on the year before. fowler well that’s up to opinion. gody hadn’t done anything for the cards to get his money and right now id say he was way overpaid. but at least in goldys case, I think its possible he could have a couple of great years left. the others, not so much. there are plenty of guys who can do what carp and fowler give us and they would be a lot cheaper, are actually on the team right now. so instead of spending thirty million or so on two players you can replace with 1 million or less, kid rather take that chance and spend that thirty million or so to one really good proven younger player. that’s what our ownership wont do, go for it. they just want to sit back and count the cash as it flows through the ballpark while every once in a while saying some stupid remark about how the players should play better or they just try to add in another has been. an dsay hey we tried something.
well im not a fan of the extensions. shildt probably deserved it but there wasn’t a need to do it right now. look what the stupid extension for carpenter did for us. personally I don’t feel anyone in the front office deserves anything. yea they won the division but that was more about chicagos bad year and Milwaukee playing below expectations til the last month of the season in my eyes. any team recognition should go to shildt and the pitching staff if you are gonna dole any out. they aren’t ever really willing to go after really good free agents, Stanton was just a ruse and a poor choice anyway. I wouldn’t mind so much them playing this consistentcy of success thing if they drew about one and a half to two million fans a season, then that is probably at best what they would deserve. but they consistently draw three million and more, the fans deserve more for their dollars while the owners swim around in the money like scrooge mcduck. they gave carpenter a big extension when he didn’t merit it but they offer waino a basic sum and he had to earn his extra money. good for him, hopefully he doesn’t let them low ball him this year. no they don’t deserve any real praise or an extension. congratulations at best for a great year results wise but not an extension.
I really think they all would probably deserve to be there. simmons to me is a definite and should have already been there. if I could only take 2, the other one right now probably would be parker but its close with munson. though mattinglys numbers were really great til he started having back problems so he should be considered cause otherwise I believe he would have earned it on merit by the normal route. puckett wasa voted in though he retired early due to eye issues. murphy is an interesting phenomena. he was so great for a short time but he just became not even good all of a sudden. not because of any known injury or cause. kind of like the reverse of those movies where someone would overnight go from average to extraordinary in some fashion.
well edman is a solid player. time will tell if he is an every day major leaguer. two thirds of one season doesn’t make a career.
well to me the cardinals should either sign cole or rendon. the money shouldn’t matter cause the cardinals are making more than enough of that. I personally would probably go after rendon since our offense is starved for consistent at bats, at least good consistentcy. but I wouldn’t mind having another great strike out guy on the mound. would give us some time to figure out who can hit and make adjustments. I don’t see either happening cause our front office wont do its job in free agency. the only big time free agent they have gone after was Stanton and with his strikeouts, he wasn’t a good option anyway. plus I think they knew he wouldn’t sign with the team no matter what, so they offered that as a way to show fans they were trying.
thanks for the info brian. he earned it.
well I don’t sign ozuna, and I get rid of Martinez, time to move on. that right there frees up a lot of space. ravelo isn’t an every day player so I keep him in the minors unless he can be used in a trade. I personally would get rid of fowler but I don’t see that happening. so we have two spots to fill with the other guys. I don’t see any outfield free agents I would sign over what is on the infield or the mound so just work guys in til someone wins the job. id rather edman be on the infield myself xo im not including him. but he hasn’t won a starting job yet in my eyes. though I personally would put him at third over carpenter but again I don’t see that happening.