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November 19, 2022 at 11:03 am #207217
The only way I would do a deal with Bellinger is a split deal.
Minor League Contract: $1 million
Major League Contract: $3 million
Bonus for 100 plate appearances: $2 million
Bonus for 200 plate appearances: $2 million
Bonus for 300 plate appearances: $2 million
Bonus for 400 plate appearances: $2 million
Bonus for 500+ plate appearances: $2 millionNovember 19, 2022 at 11:10 am #20721914NyquisTParticipantI’m thinking that there are other teams might be seeing more value in him.
November 19, 2022 at 1:48 pm #207225Bellinger is also an elite defender plus sometimes a change of scenery can help a player. Also, I think Turner Ward was Bellinger’s hitting coach for two of his very productive seasons. Maybe he could help him out here.
November 20, 2022 at 9:11 am #20725414NyquisTParticipantI’m thinking that TOR may be getting better offers that STL may not be willing to match. TOR could have doubts about O’Neill.
November 20, 2022 at 9:34 am #207258I don’t disagree about Flaherty being valuable and underappreciated for his value, yet what happens if the negotiations for a longer term contract aren’t going anywhere by the trade deadline and he is performing well as we think he will? They can’t let him get to FA without getting something of value back, can they? Especially when they have long-term SP needs with Waino and Mikolas likely not here next year.
November 20, 2022 at 1:07 pm #207274They can’t let him get to FA without getting something of value back, can they?
They can offer him the QO next winter and get an extra draft pick.
November 20, 2022 at 8:30 pm #207303They can’t let him get to FA without getting something of value back, can they?
They can offer him the QO next winter and get an extra draft pick.
Good point, and I’m sure they will, but I hope they can get more in a trade than a player from a pick after Competitive Balance Round B (before the third round), because I’m one who thinks he won’t sign here.
November 21, 2022 at 9:03 am #207319Ken Rosenthal is reporting the Diamondbacks might be looking to deal from their plethora of left-handed hitting CFs. They have Dalton Vasho, Alek Thomas, Jake McCarthy and Corbin Carroll creating a bit of a logjam in their outfield with Vasho and Carroll unlikely to be moved.
My proposal:
Cardinals: Jake McCarthy
Diamondbacks: Matthew LibratoreDiamondbacks get some young controllable pitching and the Cardinals get a potential dynamic CF who just finished fourth in the NL ROY voting.
November 22, 2022 at 8:11 am #207388I have long believed that Flaherty will play out his arb years and then file for free agency. The Cards will need to either trade him (which I view as unlikely) or make him a Qualified Offer (which I expect he will decline and test the market). Hoping that Jack bounces back and has a career season!
November 22, 2022 at 4:40 pm #207423Flaherty has much to prove to be worthy of a 1/20mil QO at the end of 2023.
November 22, 2022 at 4:46 pm #207426A qualifying offer for Flaherty seems unlikely, unless he is 2020 JF.
November 22, 2022 at 5:02 pm #207429How about Gallen for Liberatore, Flaherty, and Yepez for him?
And maybe take a flyer on Kirby Yates?
November 22, 2022 at 5:18 pm #207431They already had Gallen…Haha! And I’m not sure they’d part with Flaherty man for man.
November 23, 2022 at 8:52 am #20745914NyquisTParticipantThe price for Gallen would be huge…. Alcantara?…. maybe the entire Card’s present rotation and the starting OF. Their value has skyrocketed since Mo traded them. But we did get Ozuna for them…. remember him from his STL days? Did we get fleeced or what?
November 23, 2022 at 12:43 pm #207483PadsFSParticipant14NyquisT
The price for Gallen would be huge…. Alcantara?…. maybe the entire Card’s present rotation and the starting OF. Their value has skyrocketed since Mo traded them. But we did get Ozuna for them…. remember him from his STL days? Did we get fleeced or what?
Not every trade works out. Sure would’ve been nice to have given them Reyes and Fernandez instead though. We did get Burleson as compensation for Ozuna as well.
November 23, 2022 at 12:51 pm #207484Well, obviously every trade doesn’t work out, but at the same, not every trade is obviously a vertitable disaster. This one is right in line, or maybe worse than, Carlton/Wise, Hernandez/Allen.
November 23, 2022 at 1:38 pm #207485jj write…
Flaherty has much to prove to be worthy of a 1/20mil QO at the end of 2023.
GC wrote…
A qualifying offer for Flaherty seems unlikely, unless he is 2020 JF.
On the contrary, if Flaherty is decent (think 25+ starts, ERA mid 3s), I think the Cards know that he will almost assuredly bet on himself. I think in a borderline case the QO is a no brainer for us, because there’s no way he’ll accept it.
November 23, 2022 at 2:25 pm #207486Yep, he’s impressed me as someone who wants to move on to a different team after he’s beyond the control of his current one. The upside of that is that the work he displays in the ’23 season will be the showcase for what he features once he files for FA at the end of the season. So if his arm holds up, hopefully the Cardinals get a nice year out of him before he packs his bags.
November 24, 2022 at 6:56 am #20752014NyquisTParticipantSome players do wonders in contract seasons…. see Fowler.
November 24, 2022 at 8:38 am #20753925,
“25+ GS, mid 3.00’s ERA”
You just described Flaherty’s 2021 & 2022 combined (roughly), so that production of those metrics in 2023, is not far fetched.
23 GS, 3.54 ERA (actual)
I don’t think that production is Q-offer worthy, especially the 114 IP, but Jack might, so I see your point.
If he hits the GS and ERA markers with 150 IP, he has reached the “much to prove” production. The IP is a key for him to re-establish.
November 24, 2022 at 8:49 am #20754023 GS, 3.54 ERA (actual)
I don’t think that production is Q-offer worthy, especially the 114 IP, but Jack might, so I see your point.
If he hits the GS and ERA markers with 150 IP, he has reached the “much to prove” production. The IP is a key for him to re-establish.
We’re talking about a guy who wouldn’t sign a contract his pre arb years, so I feel like it’s very safe to say he won’t accept a QO unless the case is super cut and dried.
If Flaherty makes 25+ starts with a 3.5ish ERA next year, he should get a QO. If he rejects it (and he almost certainly will), we get the draft pick…sweet. If he accepts it, then he’s shown enough that we get him for one more prime year and that’s one less rotation spot to be filled (I’m already pining for Nola, although I realize that he likely won’t be in play).
November 24, 2022 at 8:57 am #207541Even dealing with injuries he’s mid 3.00’s, so with improved health and more IP I’d want him to accept a Q-offer, which he wouldn’t. Hope.
November 26, 2022 at 7:37 am #207618Daulton Varsho checks so many of the FO offseason needs that I’d have to rank him our #1 trade target.
Catcher ✅
LH batter ✅
Outfield production ✅
Middle order bat ✅
Plus D at multi-positions ✅I’d endorse overpaying. ARI wants RH power to balance their lineup. Their pen is a wreck and they need to add to the rotation.
November 26, 2022 at 11:14 am #207628What sort of package would it take to get Varsho? Feels like a “buy high” sort of move.
November 26, 2022 at 11:46 am #207629I agree that Varsho would be a good get for the Cards but the asking price would probably be very high. Something like Gorman, Libby, and Noot?
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