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I think Hudson and Knizner will get major leage deals by someone. They do have value. Woodford and Yepez may have to settle for minor leage deals.
A year or two ago the stock of Yepez was trending up. He really plummeted in a hurry.
I’m surprised Knizner couldn’t have been traded. He could be a cheap starting catcher or as insurance in case your starter goes down with injury. But now I do see why Pages was added to the 40 man roster.
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Kiz will land at least 2mil. I thought he could have sneaky good value. Whoever he signs with didn’t have to trade value, just by waiting.
Yepez was trending up. He really plummeted in a hurry.
Gomez had a similar trajectory down a notch in the system. He was a world beat the first half of 2022 in AA, and looked pretty good in AAA, then this year back to reality. But he still has a slot on the 40 man. It helps to be cheap with options left.
Looking at the full list of non tenders around MLB, its quite a crop of clunkers. The Cardinals group are standouts by comparison. Theoretically, Mo could have more egg on his face. Both Hudson and Yepez have had success in MLB and could have nice years if the stars align for them. Knizner would likely be solid as an injury replacement for somebody. And nothing says Woodford can’t have a 2022 (1.117 WHIP) doing decent middle relief for somebody willing to just leave him there knowing what his job is going to be day in day out. None of those outcomes would be shocking. Poor Mo.
I am willing tô bet that at least one of our non tenders hás a significant impact somewhere next year.
One good thing about roster decisions is that Pages should be the AAA catcher, Crooks should move up to AA, and Bernal to high A.
Another way to think about it. A 91-loss, last place team trimmed a bunch of guys off the back end of the roster. I, for one, am happy they are going to try others rather than keep the status quo. Of course, it remains to be seen if the replacements perform better than those they replaced.
When the guys let go perform as bad as they did, the bar is set real low for the replacements. Also, it’s not like these moves will knock the team out of the playoffs after a successful year. They lost 91 games with the guys they let go.
We have re-signed RHP Wilking Rodríguez to a minor league contract with a non-roster invite to Spring Training.
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Maybe there is an error in the current roster matrix.
By adding Lynn the players became 214 and not 217.
The current total should be 217, not 220From transaction pages:
11/28/23 – St. Louis Cardinals signed free agent RHP Michael Correa to a minor league contract. Assigned to DSL.
Relievers, perhaps, but after they acquired four Double-A/Triple-A starters at the deadline, coupled with the focus on pitchers in the last few drafts, I see a lot of rotation competition at the upper levels among the pitchers they already have.
It is a different landscape this year. I’ve gotten used to seeing Mo scraping up NDFAs, Indy ball guys, MiLB FAs, whatever he can find. As unpalatable as it is to say, Mo did a good job of making the most out of tanking and throwing in the towel. Lets hope he isn’t encouraged to make it his specialty.
Brian, I thought I once read something from you that alluded that we won’t know who the Cards put on the AAA roster to protect any players from the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft this week. Do I remember that correctly, or will they publish that list prior to the draft? Interested to see who we may lose in that portion of the draft.
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cf64 asked:
1) Brian, I thought I once read something from you that alluded that we won’t know who the Cards put on the AAA roster to protect any players from the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft this week. Do I remember that correctly,
2) or will they publish that list prior to the draft?
3) Interested to see who we may lose in that portion of the draft.
1) Yes
2) They do not make it available, but sometimes I can get it. This year, not yet, but I am still trying.
3) Me, too.
I thought Wilking was an good Rule 5 find even though it got derailed by injury. We may yet get a couple years worth of service.
Every year I get excited about it and nothing much ends up coming of it. Even more so for the MiLB portion. This year, my strategy is to not worry about it and see what happens.
The topic of potentially losing someone with value for nothing reminds me of a thought I had concerning Knizner. He was in the org from day 1 and gave good service. I wonder if maybe he was asked whether he preferred being traded off or trying his luck in free agency where maybe he could choose among some opportunities that may arise without the arb salary aspect and more contract flexibility.
bling asked:
I wonder if maybe he was asked whether he preferred being traded off or trying his luck in free agency where maybe he could choose among some opportunities that may arise without the arb salary aspect and more contract flexibility.
I don’t know for sure, but I would put high odds on the case that had Knizner been able to bring value in trade for the Cardinals, they would not have let him walk for nothing.
That is not a value statement as much as it is the reality that other teams had to know he would be non-tendered anyway and they could pick him up as a free agent without the arbitration salary restrictions, as you noted. And if they couldn’t get him, no huge loss.
Not to be disrespectful to a popular ex-Cardinal, but reserve catchers are not a particularly hot commodity.
P.S. Knizner was interviewed after being non-tendered. He said nothing about a trade having been discussed. If asked I am sure he would have been all for it, since it would have protected his arbitration salary rights.
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