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  • #139790
    AvatarDsFan
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    Brian, Thanks. This should make for a very competitive fall or spring camps. Tough on the local fans of those teams!

    #139791
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Because of COVID, the fans of the 42 local teams to be eliminated did not even get a final season to say goodbye. Other than MLB, everyone else loses…

    #141005
    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    I’m not finding Ravelo on the roster matrix. I think he’s on the active 28, but only 27 listed.

    #141068
    BlackHillsCardBlackHillsCard
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    Didn’t see this posted anywhere else when I did a search but the Cardinals acquired Domingo Robles from Pittsburgh today for international bonus capacity.

    #141071
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Thanks, jj.

    I was out today, but will be writing up Robles shortly.

    #141175
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    Isn’t Robles a minor league FA (if not added to the 40 man roster) at the end of the season?

    #141177
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    CC, I believe he has another year, but please share your thinking if you suspect otherwise…

    #141306
    AvatarCariocaCardinal
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    Signed 2014
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    Looks like 6 full minor league years unless I am interpreting the rule wrong

    #141316
    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    Do minor leaguers get a full service year for 2020 without playing? That’s the only season I would question.

    #141354
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Yes, 2020 counts, but the rule is they have to spend seven seasons on a minor league roster before free agency. In this case, 2014 does not count, as his first contract was effective in 2015.

    #141407
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    The 09/22 transactions of Hudson to the 45-day IL and Whitley to the 28-man active roster have finally reduced the 40-man roster to… well… forty men… but it seems that the 60-man player pool is still at 61, right? 28 active + 32 at alternate camp + 1 (Dean) on 10-day IL = 61. Maybe somebody left the Springfield camp when Whitley was activated?
    -Joe

    #141410
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    The alternate camp is no more. Most of the Springfield players have been sent home, but a handful remain in St. Louis working out as roster reserves. I will update the Roster Matrix as soon as we learn what will happen with Ramirez.

    P.S. For members, I detailed what is going on in this article.

    St. Louis Cardinals to Quarantine – Except for those Excluded

    #141412
    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    It used to be 6 full milb seasons before becoming a milb FA. A 7th season could be granted if it was proven that a season was lost to injury. It’s 7 seasons for everyone now?

    Also, not to be argumentative, but piratesprospects lists Robles as rule5 eligible for the second time this coming winter and milb FA eligible for 2021. This is sooo 2020 🙂

    • This reply was modified 23 hours, 36 minutes ago by jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl.
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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Not argumentative at all. We are all about learning. Pirates Prospects is an excellent site and I have great respect for Tim Williams, who runs it.

    Having said that, I stand by what I stated. This is from BA.

    MiLB free agency requires players to provide “skilled services as a Minor League Player in seven (7) separate championship playing seasons” as part of their initial contract.

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2020-milb-free-agents-eligible-for-free-agency-this-fall/

    Putting the rules aside and using common sense, why would the Cardinals acquire a player who will be eligible to leave as a free agent before ever playing for them? This is certainly not a time they have extra 40-man spots to grant to anyone.

    #141423
    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    I wasn’t aware it was 7 seasons. Did that go into effect because of the latest Covid agreements, because I wasn’t aware of it during the 2017-21 CBA.

    And, will Robles be Rule5 eligible again, if not added this winter? That scenario would see stl losing him w/out playing for them.

    #141431
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    jj asked:

    I wasn’t aware it was 7 seasons. Did that go into effect because of the latest Covid agreements, because I wasn’t aware of it during the 2017-21 CBA.

    And, will Robles be Rule5 eligible again, if not added this winter? That scenario would see stl losing him w/out playing for them.

    I do not recall. I do know that it was seven years in 2019, as well. It is not COVID-related.

    If St. Louis protects Robles on the Memphis roster for Rule 5, a claiming team would have to keep him on their MLB roster for all of 2021 or he would be returned. The risk would boil down to how MLB-ready he appeared to be the last time he played, in 2019. (Note the struggling Pirates did not use him in 2020.)

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