January 13, 2020 at 3:47 pm #119417
Kevin Wheeler made a pretty good point about no punishment for the players:
Thinking about this further…
I wonder if MLB offered the players involved a sort of immunity if they were honest and helped the investigation? Helps move things along, put it in the rearview mirror faster and avoids complicated sorting out of how suspensions would be handled. https://t.co/6eZHJqOfFi
— Kevin Wheeler (@KevinWheeler94) January 13, 2020
I’ve been checking on the few Astros fans I’m friends with on twitter and they’ve lost their minds. I used to think they were rational people but after today that is not the case.January 13, 2020 at 3:53 pm #119418January 13, 2020 at 3:56 pm #119419
Maybe, but it seems like they had plenty of evidence anyway. I suspect it is union concerns and the huge challenge in trying to prove which players did what and who didn’t. As Manfred said, he decided before this that the bosses would be held responsible. Far, far less messy this way.January 13, 2020 at 4:00 pm #119420Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
I blame the New England Patriots for societies and major league sports teams acceptance of cheating. IMO, the continual Patriots cheating makes the Astros actions look like choir boys. The Patriots got off fairly easily by trading loss of draft picks, and fines for championships.
The Astros penalties are pretty harsh, or they will be soon. I see their window of winning closing similarly to the Cubs in the next 2 years, Their top farm system will be tested, as their whole outfield are free agents at the end of 2020, with Greinke and Verlander have contracts expiring after 2021.January 13, 2020 at 4:36 pm #119428Minuteman3ParticipantFree
I just read the whole report and think that Cora may receive a lifetime suspension because he devised the schemes and then carried it forward to a new team as its manager. Both teams won World Series partially as a result of his schemes. JMHO But then his minority status may save him and limit the punishment to two years suspended.January 13, 2020 at 5:42 pm #119435January 13, 2020 at 5:47 pm #119436
Luhnow statement: "I did not know rules were being broken."
Manfred report: "…there is both documentary and
testimonial evidence that indicates Luhnow had some knowledge of those efforts…"
Who to believe…
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 13, 2020January 13, 2020 at 5:50 pm #119437January 13, 2020 at 6:05 pm #119439bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
Man, the Astros front office is having a terrible off-season!
You gotta think Luhnow had some suspicions of what was going on. He obviously looked the other way, or at least never directly addressed it. As a former boss of mine used to say, that was a CEM – Career Ending Move.January 13, 2020 at 6:18 pm #119442
CEM! I like it. (Hopefully not personally, though!)January 13, 2020 at 6:19 pm #119443
Interesting perspective from a former player. MLB protecting “their chicken”…
Baseball had no choice. With legal betting becoming more widespread that penalties had to be harsh and had to send the message that cheating will not be tolerated. Teams will act swiftly to separate themselves from anything inappropriate. MLB is watching their chicken ya dig!
— Preston Wilson (@PrestonWilson44) January 13, 2020January 13, 2020 at 6:32 pm #119447
Unless someone told Lunhow why do you think he would have a suspicion of what was going on?January 13, 2020 at 6:38 pm #119448
CC, other than the emails that implicated him and the testimony of others, you mean?
Again, here is what the investigation found.
Manfred report: “…there is both documentary and testimonial evidence that indicates Luhnow had some knowledge of those efforts…”January 13, 2020 at 6:41 pm #119449RatsbuddyParticipantFree
I posted this on the Trade sticky. Just wondering, after all of this would any of those Astro players request to be traded now?
r/RatJanuary 13, 2020 at 6:45 pm #119450
Why, Rats? What is your thinking behind it?January 13, 2020 at 6:47 pm #119451
I’m shocked that after the Astros fired the Manager and GM for being complicit, that the person who masterminded and implemented the cheating is still employed by the Red Sox.
As soon as the Red Sox read that report they should have fired Cora on the spot and every minute they delay is an indictment against them.January 13, 2020 at 6:52 pm #119453
Part of the problem is MLB’s stupid replay system. I’m fine with replays, but using monitors and challenges to call for replays is simply stupid.
Replays should be called by a fifth umpire in the press box or similar location.January 13, 2020 at 7:05 pm #119455Minuteman3ParticipantFree
Oquendo11. Actually Cora is probably in more hot water than either Luhnow or Hinch because he is the one who developed the Astros system and took it to the Red Sox too. But there is a separate investigation of the Red Sox and when that concludes Cora will be the former manager of the Sox and out of baseball for some period of time – possibly lifetime suspension.January 13, 2020 at 7:13 pm #119460
Well suspicion just doesn’t seem plausible. Either he knew or he didnt. Not sure how he would simply have “suspicion”.January 13, 2020 at 7:19 pm #119461
CC, the key word in what I cited is “evidence”.
In re-reading the thread, bikemike used the word “suspicion”, but it seems to me that we should refer to the actual report from the investigation. It is a lot stronger than “suspicion”.January 13, 2020 at 7:50 pm #119462
How cynical am I that I think a desperate team will try to hire Luhnow after the 2020 World Series finishes?January 13, 2020 at 7:54 pm #119463
Yes Brian, my original question was directed to bikemikeJanuary 13, 2020 at 8:02 pm #119466
MM3 I agree that Cora will be gone after MLB completes the investigation into the Red Sox. But I don’t understand why the Red Sox need to wait for the results of that investigation, this report should be bases enough to fire him!January 13, 2020 at 8:11 pm #119467forsch31ParticipantFree
Brian, I read Luhnow’s statement about not knowing they were breaking the rules as he didn’t think the system they were using was breaking the rules. I didn’t see it as a statement that he had no knowledge about the team using a system to relay signs. Although I think either way it is interpreted, Luhnow is just trying to cover his backside.
I think this is funny since Luhnow basically stole the Cardinals system for scouting and rating players. Now Luhnow is finally getting some punishment for trying to play at the edge of right and wrong.January 13, 2020 at 8:14 pm #119469
forsch I almost always agree with you, but I see no way that Luhnow would not know that what they were doing was absolutely breaking the rules.
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