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April 22, 2020 at 4:41 pm #127293
It appears Red Sox players involved, having not been named, will avoid the public scorn directed at a number of the Astros hitters.
April 22, 2020 at 7:43 pm #127300They know the backlash if the Yankee fanbase got a hold of this. You think Houston was bad. lol
Honestly I think they just want to move on from this. How it took so long to announce this idk. Maybe it was a “oh we forgot about Boston”. Hell I didn’t know it was 4/20 on Monday until the night before. That’s what this pandemic has done more than anything else. I’ve lose a sense of time and day.
May 19, 2020 at 2:47 pm #129011This may be a clue why Bregman is switching agents. Old agency Klutch’s big client LeBron James’ Uninterrupted is planning a documentary series on Astros sign stealing scandal. Others players aren’t thrilled either but Bregman was 1 Astro repped by Klutchhttps://t.co/SkW6Ifn976
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) May 19, 2020
June 11, 2020 at 4:41 pm #130232Alex Cora spoke publicly for the first time since the conclusion of MLB’s investigation into the 2017 Astros illegal sign-stealing scheme and the allegations that Boston stole signs during the 2018 season. https://t.co/Vzxlw4W7y1
— Marly Rivera (@MarlyRiveraESPN) June 11, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 10:02 am #130482Another team with sign-stealing allegations against them.
Evan from late last night… https://t.co/nvm2nsKitr
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) June 13, 2020
July 29, 2020 at 11:44 am #134022'That's dirty baseball': #Astros’ manager Dusty Baker livid towards reliever Joe Kelly after benches-clearing incident vs. the #Dodgers https://t.co/t4xIFVYZHu
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 29, 2020
July 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm #134025#lovejoekelly
July 29, 2020 at 8:01 pm #134050MLB really slapped Kelly down – eight games suspended. That is over 1/8 of the season!
July 30, 2020 at 5:33 am #134071Kelly got what he deserved. Hitting a guy is one thing. Throwing at the head is a whole nother ballgame.
July 30, 2020 at 7:10 am #134077Ironically, if MLB had taken any action at all against the Astros players, who were just as involved in the cheating as the managers, Kelly probably wouldn’t have ended up doing what he did and getting his suspension. I’m not saying that throwing near a player’s head is the right thing and Kelly got what was a proper suspension for such an act, but the entire saga was a failure in ability to set a proper punishment on the player side of things.
July 30, 2020 at 8:37 am #134083Wrong Kelly didn’t get what he deserved, once again MLB screwed up big time….they trying to protect some of the BIGGEST Cheaters in the game EVER…sorry not even hitting anybody or really that close and getting 8 games…will be lucky if it ends up as 2 or 3 after appeal…Manfred is a joke and he just keeps making himself look like the biggest tard evver to run a sport.
July 30, 2020 at 10:53 am #134099Rob Manfred can punish MLB players for sign-stealing under new agreement, per report https://t.co/kVKCf4WzRS
— CBS Sports MLB (@CBSSportsMLB) July 30, 2020
July 30, 2020 at 11:07 am #134101Unless it’s retroactive, big deal.
July 30, 2020 at 12:20 pm #134106…sorry not even hitting anybody or really that close and getting 8 games…will be lucky if it ends up as 2 or 3 after appeal…
I doubt it. MLB is sending a message. You are not going to get a slap on the wrist for making one team your preferred targets because they were not suspended. How do you know who did what? Who used the system and who didn’t. The chart that was published here months ago showed a lot of deviation in the players who ‘might’ have used the system and those who had not. IIRC, Altuve was one who showed very little evidence of ever using the trash can system. The problem is you want to punish everybody on the team or you want to pick out only certain people. A lot of them are with other teams now. I say MLB is trying to put a slammer on throwing at Astros players. I support that. Otherwise it will just turn into some little kids game being played by older men and making themselves look foolish. The Dodgers had other chances to win the World Series. They did not. EOS.
July 30, 2020 at 1:04 pm #134108My guess is there would have been a suspension no matter what, but the severity was increased by Kelly throwing at Bregman’s head. He didn’t have to do that to make his point.
TLR was as much of a baseball traditionalist as anyone, never backing down and all that. But one place where he absolutely drew the line was throwing at anyone above the shoulders.
July 30, 2020 at 2:30 pm #134111Kelly went overboard, which is why the suspension was harsh, but the Astros had to know something like this was coming. Of all the teams highly miffed I am sure the Dodgers were the most miffed, and justifiably so.
Throwing at someone’s head is never ok but we probably haven’t seen the last message sent to the Cheatstros.
July 30, 2020 at 3:49 pm #134114Surprising there haven’t been a few Conigliaro-type injuries over the years. Hamilton threw 90? With today’s velocity, it’s kind of scary.
August 10, 2020 at 4:10 pm #134874Houston pitchers hit 5 A’s batters in their weekend series with none the other direction. A fight ensued on Sunday. There are bad feelings about MLB allegedly protecting the Astros. But we all know that Dusty would never use that to his advantage… 😉
"MLB has created an environment where the Astros feel like they are protected and we, as an opponent, can't do a single thing." https://t.co/lfFItHhHim
— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) August 10, 2020
August 13, 2020 at 11:45 am #135042Even though his suspension was cut from eight to five games on appeal, Joe Kelly is still very angry.
The Dodgers' Joe Kelly sounds off on Astros' players handling of sign-stealing investigation in podcast with @RossStripling. https://t.co/j9ajkg5CM4
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) August 13, 2020
September 9, 2020 at 4:25 pm #139436This topic won’t go away… Mr. Baez is having a subpar season and wants his in-game video back.
"We didn’t cheat. We’re not cheating. And we gotta pay for others."
Javy Báez blasts MLB's in-game video ban in the wake of the Astros' sign-stealing scandal ⤵️https://t.co/FDbeNKFsmN
— The Athletic MLB (@TheAthleticMLB) September 9, 2020
September 9, 2020 at 4:42 pm #139438Poor Javy. Someone should call a wambulance.
October 19, 2020 at 10:17 pm #145023Jeff Luhnow granted an extensive interview to a Houston TV station. He continues to insist he was set up by the Commissioner to take the fall and he had no knowledge of either the electronic sign stealing or the trash can banging.
October 23, 2020 at 10:50 am #145369The Athletic reviewed the evidence and put together what I believe is a strong case that Luhnow has been lying. Imagine that!
Sort of reminds of the old Mission Impossible message that the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions if you are caught, Mr. Phelps.
Hinch will be back in the game because he admitted he knew the cheating was occurring and did not stop it. Luhnow on the other hand seems highly unlikely to work in MLB ever again. Not only did he lie, he threw everyone he could under the bus, including his own employees, other teams and MLB itself.
“The best interpretation of the evidence is that Luhnow either knew exactly what the video room was doing, or knew generally what they were doing and willfully chose to keep himself in the dark,” a person with knowledge of the investigation said. https://t.co/2CWhXPFVIi
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) October 22, 2020
October 26, 2020 at 10:58 am #145694Lunhow is less likely to work again in MLB again than Hinch mostly because he will have many more high paying opportunities outside of baseball.
October 26, 2020 at 4:41 pm #145713I think it is more about ego than money. Just a guess, but I think Luhnow would love to get back into MLB just to stick it to all of them. But it is not going to happen. He threw under the bus everybody in his own (former) organization from the owner on down to the lowest level workers, other MLB teams and even the Commissioner’s Office. No one was spared from his blame deflecting. I am pretty sure his house has no mirrors.
That softball TV interview was an attempt to try to repair his image before he seeks offers elsewhere. A video job application.
He said at the end that he hopes to stay in sports, specifically mentioning the NFL, NBA and NHL. Fat chance. He ain’t gonna make squat working for an MLS team or the like. Making mistakes is one thing. Not owning up to them and torching even his own boss on his way out the door is another.
Simply put, he is radioactive for the major sports.
(But to show how out of touch with reality some fans are, in the last few days, I have seen at least two Twitter polls asking if the Cards should hire Luhnow back to replace Mo – and some people actually are voting yes.)
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