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Guys, be aware that the trash can banging was only one of several ways to communicate the info to the batter. They changed these frequently.
As an aside, I don’t think that their CF camera was the only way to get catcher’s signals. There are live feeds (i.e. no broadcast delay) in the replay rooms. In other words, this, during the regular season, may not have been a home-game-only thing (and it certainly wasn’t a trash can banging thing only). In the playoffs, there are far more MLB personnel crawling around, possibly permanently in both replay rooms, so that’s when the CF camera and home games were key.
I heard on one of the broadcasts the other day that this season there is only one live feed in the video room. All the rest are on delays. Anybody else hear this. Since they cut the managers time to call for a review for 30 seconds to 20 seconds I would assume the live feed would be needed by the replay guy for getting word to the manager.
I heard on one of the broadcasts the other day that this season there is only one live feed in the video room. All the rest are on delays.
I think that’s right, and I think that’s new (but I’m not sure).
Here is an update on the talks about new rules for sign stealing.
Since it is at The Athletic and not everyone subscribes, here is CBS’s free recap of the above article.
This is absurd. You use technology as a player to cheat or be part of a cheating thing like these teams, you should be suspended forever just like shoeless joe was and is for something not nearly as bad. those guys were severely underpaid and their freedom of movement didn’t really exist. There shouldn’t be any disagreement over punishment now. If its the whole team, same for all the people. levy a huge fine and a playoff and a national tv ban for 5 years.
It feels to me like Manfred is waiting until there is good news to overshadow the bad in the report.
Rob Manfred on ESPN, re: Red Sox: "We are done with the investigation. There’s been a delay in terms of producing a written report just because I frankly have not had time to turn to it. … We will get a Boston report out before we resume play."
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 26, 2020
How could any sports organization stoop so low? This stain on them will not go away, as they can no longer be trusted.
Their season must be trashed as a lesson to all others.
Wow Boyer14 (that has to be a NASCAR name reference) sounds like you got riled up. Nothing like a killer virus to take our minds off such stuff though. Life has it’s priorities and hating the Astros is pretty low on my list right now.
Ken Boyer # 14 was a Cardinal third baseman and then manager of the team.
Pardon me. Clint Boyer is a NASCAR driver and drives #14 for Tony Stewart’s team. Just a coincidental thing I guess.
FWIW, the race car driver has a “w” in his last name – Bowyer. He is good at his job, but will never get a retired number like Cardinals Hall of Famer Kenny. 😉
MM3 would’ve missed out on 4 points in scrabble. Also, Boyer is the only Card whose number is retired, yet not a member of the HOF.
ED wrote: MM3 would’ve missed out on 4 points in scrabble.
I’m still a little red faced about that one ED but Bowyer is from Kansas City, Kansas so he is also in the neighborhood. I was a fan of the New Orleans Pelicans (Southern Assn) when Boyer started playing. The Memphis Chicks were also in the Southern Association along with the Birmingham Barons, Mobile Bears, Nashville Vols and Atlanta Crackers. I took a hiatus from baseball fanaticism when I was in the Air Force but picked right up with the closest neighborhood team, the Minnesota Twins, after I retired. Got to do two WS Championships with them before moving to Mizzou and latching on to the Cards for 3rd WS win. I say all this to hope it is enough smoke to cover my little boo boo…..lol
Coincidentally, I made mention of both the 1977 Pelicans and 1963 Crackers just the other day in the Triple-A history article. Here are the team logos.
I took a hiatus from baseball fanaticism when I was in the Air Force but picked right up with the closest neighborhood team, the Minnesota Twins, after I retired. ,
Ahhh, I’m retired USAF too. Was a Cards fan my whole life because of the impression the late 60s teams made on me as a young boy, but had never attended a Cards’ game until I had a 2-year tour at Scott AFB. Wife said I looked like I was in a state of awe the first time we walked around Busch II looking at the statues. Can’t tell you how many McGwire HRs my then 6 y/o son and I saw during 1998. Needless to say, he’s a big Cards fan too.
Well with all the virus cancellations it is good to remember ‘back in the day’. Brian, that Pelican logo seems to indicate they were a Cards team in 77. I did not know they were still playing in 77. I left town in 61 and never looked back but, as a kid, we used to go to an old beat up stadium with true knotholes in the fence to watch games. After a few innings they opened the gates and we go in free. In the spring they had exhibition games and I can swear that I saw some big names there in the 1945-1950 time frame. I know I saw Stan and Red and a bunch of others from other teams. Minnie Minoso rings a bell. When I left in 61 the Pelicans were playing in a high school football stadium that held 20,000 but they had arranged the field so that left field was very short on the ground but had a very tall screen and it was still easy to hit over it. Right field on the other hand was a decent distance.
After I retired we built a home and stayed in North Dakota for the kids – great place to raise kids and went to work with a farmer friend. I hooked onto the Twins because it was the only station I could receive on the tractor radio in the evenings when we were plowing or cultivating or harvesting. I remember very well the 87 series with the Cardinals, the one where home teams won all the home games. Kirby Puckett was ‘da man’ to a Twins fan but Kent Hrbek could pop a few too. I wish I could have been with the Cards during Stan’s time as well as many others.
Now what any of this has to do with the Astros stealing signs I do not know but I am now of the opinion that it was a crappy thing to do and let’s be done with it. This virus is a perfect example of how big things like stealing signs can turn into small things real quick when compared to thousands of people dying before their time. Go Cards.
There’s even news today on the subject of this thread!
New #Astros from Texas Sports Nation — Law firm seeks Dodgers, Yankees fans to join lawsuits against Astros https://t.co/KJ4HHJ8XgM
— Chronicle Astros (@ChronAstros) April 1, 2020
Lawyers, how much better would this country be without them? They better be prepared to provide proof that the stealing of signs resulted in specific things happening that would not have happened otherwise. If I were a judge I would laugh them out of court. They have no way of proving they would have won a series if there had been no cheating.
Buster Olney reports that the suspensions of Luhnow and Hinch will run until the end of the 2020 post-season, even if there isn’t one.
BREAKING: #RedSox penalties:
*Loss of 2020 2nd-round pick.
*Ban of replay operator J.T. Watkins through 2020 playoffs and from doing same job in ‘21.
*Ban of Alex Cora through ‘20 playoffs, but only for conduct with #Astros.
Story with @EvanDrellich: https://t.co/6Ysn9hsRFa
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) April 22, 2020
Here's Rob Manfred's summary of his findings from the Red Sox investigation: pic.twitter.com/6olGDsqxH4
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) April 22, 2020
The #RedSox today released the following statement from President & CEO Sam Kennedy in response to Major League Baseball’s report: pic.twitter.com/FLEMdwzgfI
— Red Sox (@RedSox) April 22, 2020
Again, the players escape discipline, but the messenger is shot.
Manfred says he would not have disciplined the Red Sox players who used the stolen signs even if they had not been given immunity because they did not know it was against the rules to use in-game replays to decode signs.
What do folks think about this?
Players, as previously reported, were granted immunity in this Red Sox case. Manfred didn’t want to pursue any discipline of them, though. It’s jarring that the only person directly disciplined in this case is the replay review coordinator. From Manfred’s report: pic.twitter.com/TER746lCO1
— James Wagner (@ByJamesWagner) April 22, 2020
So if the 2020 season doesn’t end up getting played, most of the characters involved will not even lose any time they otherwise wouldn’t have. That hardly seems like a punishment at all.
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