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gscott, I get Jones’ frustration, but it seems like apples and oranges. Owners do what is good for them, while employees do what their team owners tell them to do. You can bet Sternberg isn’t talking without Manfred’s approval. We will have to see what his remarks are, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he presents the ownership talking points for the CBA negotiations.
The longer this stalemate goes on the more it disgusts me. Especially since I am getting emails from the Cardinals about purchasing tickets and apparel. I have no intention of buying anything, until they are, at least close to a new agreement.
It is getting very close to when pitchers and catchers report. I fear that we are not far from cancellation of early spring training games.Apparently Sternberg’s press conference really had nothing to do with the CBA. It was to complain that MLB had vetoed his split city plan with Montreal. Manfred endorsed this concept at one point. I am glad to see that he finally came to his senses.
Rays' Tampa/Montreal Timeshare Plans Nixed By MLB https://t.co/mN1vziJ58N pic.twitter.com/nQrccdXHtI
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 20, 2022
I sense the players might be for it, but the owners may not. What do you see as the pros and cons for each of the two sides and it is balanced enough to fly?
I’m not sure if it’s balanced enough. A 95% match by the owners would be a slam-dunk for them. You rarely see short contracts for good young players. Players might insist on 100%, which is quite a decent compromise on five year free agency.
Pros for players:
Get a good salary without having to trust the arbiter.
Get an early look at their potential market value. Could allow them to sign an extension without the traditional ‘must test free agency market first’.
Win something significant from the owners.Pros for owners.
Keep six years of control, but at the cost of paying your player what they are worth in their prime.Negotiating for multi/year offers would be dicey I imagine.
Doesn’t the NBA have a system somewhat similar to this idea? Under their system a team with a “restricted free agent” may keep the player at a lower cost than a new team but an “unrestricted free agent” is open to all teams at market value.
I suspect you are right, but I haven’t followed the NBA closely since 1980: Lenny Wilkins and Downtown Freddie Brown.
The players need to tell the owners to go from 6 years to 5 or don’t call us and we are willing to strike the season.
nate, I don’t know if that is the hill the players want to die on, but I kinda like the simplicity of selecting one issue and not giving in.
The Cardinal Nation’s series highlighting the history of MLB's labor struggles continues with the creation of the MLBPA and eventual selection of Marvin Miller to lead it. Author Marilyn Green is a retired attorney with background in employment law. (free) https://t.co/HXlnHViq1c pic.twitter.com/fZrZ3XQodD
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 22, 2022
MLBPA Drops Push For Earlier Free Agency Eligibility In Latest CBA Proposal https://t.co/MNGrs112pe pic.twitter.com/kC0JGaN7kp
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 24, 2022
Even though it’s not the proposal I’d prefer as a fan, I can’t really understand why they haven’t gone to a system like the NFL yet. All revenue is shared and the player/team cut is negotiated. Salary cap and floor alike that are close to each other. Again, it’s not my preference, but it makes the most sense for almost everyone. Or do the few “big dog” owners really have that much sway?
I feel the worst for the young crop of player that lost a year to Covid and now this.
Quite a few may never be able to overcome not being able to play and develop.
Egos get involved, lines are drawn, and it becomes too personal for these egos who just need to ‘win’ so they can add that feather to their cap.
No one is forcing any of the players to choose baseball as their career. I’d like to see more done for the younger players at ALL levels including MLB.
I understand the investment teams make in developing young talent and the need to have a certain time period to ‘control the asset’.
I understand the theory behind the draft order to give ‘bad’ teams a chance at getting the apparently better young players – BUT – I’d rather see the player acquisition system be more like college recruiting WITH a hard money cap (established by a mutually agreed upon formula based on the prior year’s net revenue) and I think there are already roster number limits in place.
Revenue sharing between all franchises of some kind should be a thing if it isn’t already.
Two salary caps (MLB and MiLB) should be hard – not soft with financial penalties for exceeding them – ultra rich owners will simply sneer at those.
I remain discouraged. We are 56 days into the lockout and this seems the first time they are getting down to work.
They knew for months and years this was coming. They didn’t need 55 more days to get their positions together. Now, we are about a week from spring training being impacted with no legitimate excuse for the delay.
My wish is that the government could set a deadline at which point the two sides would be forced into independent arbitration. But the reality is that ownership would never agree to this. Never. They have too much at stake to take the risk.
So we are forced to wait. The impact of the fan on this process is about the same as the minor leaguers. Zero.
MLB reportedly willing to cancel regular season games if needed.
Heated MLB bargaining includes mention of canceling games — but progress, toohttps://t.co/lxdJ3tc3gy
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) January 25, 2022
CBS mouths The Athletic’s reporting in a free article.
MLB official tells MLBPA that league is willing to lose regular season games as lockout drags on, per report https://t.co/PVtu84hYfU
— CBS Sports MLB (@CBSSportsMLB) January 25, 2022
My wish is that the government could set a deadline at which point the two sides would be forced into independent arbitration. But the reality is that ownership would never agree to this. Never. They have too much at stake to take the risk.
I’m with you here. This is entertainment, not something life or death. Of course, perhaps that’s the argument that could be made in favor of keeping the government out of the negotiation as well, but generally there are no losers in this situation except for the fans (and possibly the workers at the stadiums, as I’m not sure how they are paid). Both owners and players have obscene amounts of money at stake, and there’s no real reason they should be bickering to the point that it costs us all regular season games.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t get why everyone is getting their feathers ruffled over this. At the risk of coming across cocky, please read my lips….”There will be no regular season games cancelled this year”. Not going to happen. A few ST games could be in jeopardy, but that’s the extent of it. Rest easy folks.
Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association plan to meet Tuesday for the next round of collective-bargaining talks, sources tell ESPN.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 1, 2022
Not an encouraging meeting today.
Today’s 90-minute meeting between MLB, MLBPA was heated. Some owners and players participated. The MLBPA made moves in two areas: service-time manipulation, and pre-arb bonus pool (dropped request from $105 million to $100 million). TBD when next core economics meeting will be.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 1, 2022
Not sure I agree that this is bad news. Heated meeting shows me they are serious about resolving things
Of interest to Cards fans in this discussion…so many of the proposals are tied to WAR, and specifically fWAR. One thing we know is that fWAR punishes ground ball pitchers, like many that the Cards go after. Relative to the league, teams like the Cards and Pirates, who are two seamer lovers, may save some money.
Could be posturing but I don’t interpret the reports being positive.
Now both sides in baseball’s labor talks are disappointed, with MLB now joining players union in that regard. Union offered a couple seemingly small changes (ie lowering bonus pool to $100M from $105M; MLB remains at $10M). Chance to start spring on time about Feb. 14 is remote.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) February 1, 2022
The meeting between the Major League Baseball Players Association and MLB is over. Little progress was made. The on-time opening of spring training at this point is in grave danger and, frankly, would take a miraculous deal coming together to rescue. A delay feels inevitable.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 1, 2022
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