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September 2, 2021 at 9:32 am #171462
MLB is proposing free agency eligibility at age 29.5 and replacing arbitration with something not yet defined.
MLB Proposal To Players Association Included Changes To Service Time Structure https://t.co/wN65t7ZWfn pic.twitter.com/5tBinIGgzl
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) September 2, 2021
October 31, 2021 at 11:45 am #176033I am going to bump this thread so it is easier to find. As soon as the world series is over, possibly tonight, this will probably become the dominant thread because most mlb activity will grind to a halt until this CBA is resolved. Unfortunately I expect it to drag on for several more months.
November 3, 2021 at 9:21 am #176132Let the craziness begin.
November 3, 2021 at 10:00 am #176135That is IMO partially caused by MLB becoming”woke” and backing BLM. I know several people that won’t watch MLB because of that.
November 3, 2021 at 11:46 am #176141That is IMO partially caused by MLB becoming”woke” and backing BLM. I know several people that won’t watch MLB because of that.
I am not sure what you are referring to but I am referring to the craziness of the ongoing and upcoming CBA negotiations. The two sides don’t seem to agree on hardly anything at this point but I don’t think it has anything to do with national politics. It is more to do with each side trying to win over as many economic advantages it can for their own respective side.
November 3, 2021 at 11:50 am #176142Yes, let’s please keep the discussion on track – the CBA negotiations between players and owners. Thanks.
November 16, 2021 at 7:03 am #176805The labor agreement expires in two weeks…
November 16, 2021 at 8:28 am #176812If there is no agreement by the end of December 1 will all baseball activity essentially be frozen? No signings, no trades, no winter meetings, no Cardinal winter warmup, etc..?
November 16, 2021 at 8:30 am #176813Tick tock goes the clock.
I think there will be a 4-8 week lock out then they will get it settled.
What we really need is a return to sanity.
I’d like to see a hefty revenue shrinkage (50%) across the board in all the major professional sports.
The MASSIVE money leads to hugely inflated egos and an overblown sense of self-importance on all sides.
At the end of the day all these people are is entertainers and I think most of them have lost sight of that.
November 16, 2021 at 8:43 am #176820I’d like to see a hefty revenue shrinkage (50%) across the board in all the major professional sports.
But that is the opposite of what is going on. Growing revenue is all that leagues think about. That is why we have no scheduled doubleheaders, no world series games at night, local tv blackouts, expanded playoffs, longer commercial breaks, etc…..
November 17, 2021 at 10:36 am #176885A good explanation, albeit detailed, about the matter of arbitration, service time and free agent eligibility, which is likely the stickiest issue on the bargaining table. (Warning: If you don’t care about WAR, then just move on…)
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November 17, 2021 at 11:17 am #176888bccran
ParticipantRight, Mudville. Fans can take only so much. Fans have struggled and sacrificed during this pandemic, and will be disgusted by the greed on both sides of this negotiation.
November 18, 2021 at 2:55 pm #176993So as long as things are settled by March 31 everything is cool right?
Rob Manfred: "An offseason lockout that moves the process forward is different than a labor dispute that costs games."
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) November 18, 2021
Rob Manfred on hypothetical of a lockout: "We locked out in 89, 90. … I don’t think 94 worked out too great for anybody. I think when you look at other sports the pattern has become to control the timing of the labor dispute. … It’s about avoiding doing damage to the season."
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) November 18, 2021
November 26, 2021 at 1:03 pm #177466Isn’t next week just about Zero Hour – somewhat?
November 28, 2021 at 8:22 am #177516A long, cold winter ahead…
Major League Baseball players want change, and union lawyer Bruce Meyer is fighting to deliver it. "The other side is not going to be happy with me.”https://t.co/6CNen0RIQO
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) November 28, 2021
November 28, 2021 at 9:38 am #177517Wasn’t there a split season in ’81 where the Cards had the over all best record in the NL but didn’t win the division in either half of the season and so did not make the playoffs?
Here is an idea. Each team splits the profit 50-50 with the players and all contracts are essentially performance based with some baseline mi nimum based on years of ML service with A, AA, and AAA counting as .25, .50, and .75 respectively.
The BL min = $100,000k plus $100,000k per year of ML service. Any money a player makes above that is earned by being above the current year’s league average in WAR with all above average WAR players on a particular team splitting 50% of that team’s profits on a pro rata basis.
Performing below average in WAR will not reduce a player’s base salary but if a team makes no money then there is nothing to split among the WAR+ players. Ownership and FO salaries are set and equal across all teams to reduce monkey business.
November 28, 2021 at 9:42 am #177518The above obviously won’t work because then all the best players would end up with the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, other ‘big market’ teams.
November 28, 2021 at 1:17 pm #177520It is difficult for me to choose sides in these negotiations because I don’t like hard headed extremists, which both sides have. I think the owners deserve to make a profit and I think the players deserve their fair share of the revenue. What I don’t like are negotiators who are so hardline that it is “my way or the highway.” Hopefully both sides will come to their senses and realize that some compromise will be necessary because if games are lost the harm to the game could be immense.
Most likely there will be some movement to either allow players to get to arbitration sooner or to free agency sooner but not both. There should also probably be some kind of salary cap and salary floor.
We can hope a resolution is reached before March 1 so spring training can commence. I wouldn’t expect much movement before then because it usually takes deadlines to get people moving.
November 28, 2021 at 4:41 pm #177525This is just a lot of haggling among a bunch of rich people (except for the unfortunate minor leaguers) to see who will get even richer.
November 29, 2021 at 10:46 am #177556Good point..
It does seem more than a little weird that the owners and players are prepared to completely shut down a financial system that individual parties on both sides are exploiting in the last days and hours before the CBA deadline. Talk about mixed messages.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) November 29, 2021
November 29, 2021 at 5:11 pm #177589November 29, 2021 at 5:15 pm #177590Picking your own playoff opponent? Utterly stupid.
November 29, 2021 at 5:21 pm #177593I know the owners see the expanded playoffs as monetary bonanza, but I really abhor the idea of having almost half the league make the playoffs. The MLB season is already long enough to separate out the chaff. 6 teams in each league is more than plenty. 5 teams is excessive too, IMO.
The one proposal I do like is the draft lottery. I would expand it beyond the first three picks to include at least half the non playoff teams. There’s no reason to incentivize playing to lose.
November 30, 2021 at 7:06 am #177616Stlcard25, you have a good idea with that last part. Need to be try to curtail this losing mentality to gain. I’m all for teams that understand that the coming season may not be their best chance so they decide rather than going all in, they work on their team so they are better next year or after but just blowing it up and still expecting fans to walk through door is wrong. I also think letting teams pick their opponents is stupid and I totally don’t think we need more playoff teams. It will just encourage more teams to settle for just being mediocre and still having the shot at playoffs. Plus the better free agents will go to even less teams given that teams may be less willing to pay more since you basically have a fifty fifty shot to make playoffs regardless. Could go other way but I doubt it.
November 30, 2021 at 9:41 am #177635Picking your own playoff opponent? Utterly stupid.
I totally agree Rat. It makes MLB look like a WWE sideshow, a three ring circus. Not professional at all.
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